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| 1 | +--- |
| 2 | +title: "HSF Steering Group Meeting, 23 September 2024" |
| 3 | +layout: plain_toc |
| 4 | +--- |
| 5 | + |
| 6 | +## Attending |
| 7 | + |
| 8 | +Present/Contributing: Graeme Stewart, Eduardo Rodrigues, Benedikt Hegner, Pere Mato, Stefan Roiser, Michel Jouvin |
| 9 | + |
| 10 | +Apologies: Liz Sexton-Kennedy, Nicole Skidmore, Paul Laycock, Torre Wenaus |
| 11 | + |
| 12 | +## Discussions with Activity Areas |
| 13 | + |
| 14 | +Any discussions to report on? |
| 15 | + |
| 16 | +| Activity | SG Responsible | Met? | |
| 17 | +| ------------------------------------ | --------------- | ------------ | |
| 18 | +| Data Analysis | Eduardo + Mark | | |
| 19 | +| Detector Simulation | Torre + Graeme | | |
| 20 | +| Physics Generators | Liz + Stefan | Y | |
| 21 | +| JuliaHEP | Pere | Y (implicit) | |
| 22 | +| PyHEP | Eduardo | Y (implicit) | |
| 23 | +| Reconstruction and Software Triggers | Michel + Paul | | |
| 24 | +| Tools and Packaging | Liz + 1 more? | | |
| 25 | +| Training | Graeme + Nicole | Y | |
| 26 | + |
| 27 | +Torre has drafted an email to send to simulation conveners, so hopefully meeting soon. |
| 28 | + |
| 29 | +There is some discussion about packaging tools in Belle II, Pere will pass this on to Liz. |
| 30 | + |
| 31 | +- [ ] Need one more SG member to also cover the tools and packaging area with Liz |
| 32 | + |
| 33 | +## European Strategy Update 2025 |
| 34 | + |
| 35 | +Key areas: generators, simulation, reconstruction, analysis and training/careers. |
| 36 | + |
| 37 | +**We need a team to manage this process and organise the work with the conveners and the wider community.** |
| 38 | + |
| 39 | +Volunteers: Michel, Graeme, ... |
| 40 | + |
| 41 | +Feedback from coordination meeting? Not so far. |
| 42 | + |
| 43 | +- [ ] Michel, Graeme to reach out to activity conveners |
| 44 | + |
| 45 | +## HSF and SFT reporting to WLCG/LHCC |
| 46 | + |
| 47 | +- Eduardo presented to the LHCC on Sep. 10th the "HSF/community Software Report". |
| 48 | + - Very well received. |
| 49 | + - The LHCC commends the HSF for its evolution and ongoing reorganisation efforts. It also congratulates us on our software stewardship role within the community |
| 50 | +(e.g., successful PyHEP initiatives, efforts to explore the role of Julia in HEP, the highly appreciated training programme). |
| 51 | +- Eduardo submitted the part "HSF and Community Software Activities" for the October RRB report. (Thank you as ever for the comments/inputs.) |
| 52 | + - This incorporated updates from community projects, such as IRIS-HEP and SWIFT-HEP, as well as from the HSF. |
| 53 | + |
| 54 | +## Seminar Series |
| 55 | + |
| 56 | +[Indico](https://indico.cern.ch/category/18810/); Coordinators: Benedikt, Michel, Andrea |
| 57 | + |
| 58 | +- 1 October, Julia in high-energy physics: a paradigm shift or just another tool? |
| 59 | +- 30 October, Reconstruction? (Apparently they contacted speakers) |
| 60 | +- 27 November, Generators? |
| 61 | + |
| 62 | +- [ ] Benedikt will follow-up. |
| 63 | + |
| 64 | +## HSF Affiliated Projects |
| 65 | + |
| 66 | +Project [document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Un1V21LdehQNwkNGeUZOl_GBQ8IdjUpDp5bi9g2YvLg/edit?usp=sharing) was circulated to the HSF ~2 weeks ago. |
| 67 | + |
| 68 | +Graeme got some private questions on qualifying projects from ATLAS colleagues, e.g., did experiment software count. |
| 69 | + |
| 70 | +A few comments on the [guidelines](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AiLcqyLA4c1y2Iq-YZyKP7DwN8m2AJb_J44cDuGGAXI/edit?usp=sharing) document re. stability of maintainers from Alex. |
| 71 | + |
| 72 | +- Should not be "downgrading" projects, but encouraging investment |
| 73 | + |
| 74 | +Next steps - Pere and Eduardo to take care of |
| 75 | + |
| 76 | +- [ ] Light revision and move to website |
| 77 | +- [ ] Concrete project engagement |
| 78 | + |
| 79 | +## Advisory Group |
| 80 | + |
| 81 | +No further comments on the document, so we can proceed. |
| 82 | + |
| 83 | +Initial list of members: |
| 84 | + |
| 85 | +- LHC Expts |
| 86 | +- DUNE |
| 87 | +- Belle II |
| 88 | +- "Small" experiments |
| 89 | +- MCNet |
| 90 | + |
| 91 | +Next steps: |
| 92 | + |
| 93 | +- [x] Graeme to draft an email for comments, then contact initial list. |
| 94 | + - It's [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K5fq41u_HiqvcHWEYrTRXfAxnZmR_PYCXRntKlvrH4I/edit?usp=sharing) |
| 95 | +- [ ] Advisory Group mandate should go onto the website. |
| 96 | +- [ ] Invitations to computing coordinators / MCnet chairs (not sure for small experiments - Pere and Graeme will have a coffee with the CERN rep.) |
| 97 | + |
| 98 | +It was felt that ePIC/EIC and FCC were a bit immature yet to join the AG, but should look again to other potential members from running experiments at other labs. But in any case, go ahead inviting the above. |
| 99 | + |
| 100 | +## AOB |
| 101 | + |
| 102 | +### Coordination Meetings |
| 103 | + |
| 104 | +[Chairing sign up document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z1Z4payCpieOLiVFcC6y9j-KCj71u6xX232LHUgIHfI/edit). We need a few more volunteers from now until the end of the year! |
| 105 | + |
| 106 | +### Domain |
| 107 | + |
| 108 | +Torre made enquiries with BNL who seem to be willing to take over ownership of the domain. |
| 109 | + |
| 110 | +### HSF on Google (and other platforms) |
| 111 | + |
| 112 | +Check accounts used and that information is shared correctly. |
| 113 | + |
| 114 | +| Platform | HSF Account | Notes | |
| 115 | +| -------- | ---------- | --- | |
| 116 | +| Google | `[email protected]` | Calendar and YouTube | |
| 117 | +| Zenodo | `[email protected]` | Better to have individual accounts manage the community | |
| 118 | +| ORCID | `0000-0002-6574-1593` | Because of Zenodo? Probably not needed | |
| 119 | +| Twitter/X | `hepsoftfound` | Probably not going back... | |
| 120 | + |
| 121 | +At least Graeme has these passwords and they can be shared in the Steering Group. |
| 122 | + |
| 123 | +### Next Meeting |
| 124 | + |
| 125 | +To get out of phase with LHCb software board meetings, next SG meeting in **3** weeks time, 14 October: <https://indico.cern.ch/event/1459900/>. |
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