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Kirk Munro 9:39 AM:
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Muted Joey = Sad Joey
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Joel Francis 9:40 AM:
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Not this meme again! :D
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Romero126 9:42 AM:
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Good Morning!
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Joel Francis 9:42 AM:
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Hiya rom!
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Paul DiMaggio 9:45 AM:
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WOOO
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Joel Francis 9:49 AM:
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Fyi fellas, looks like the dial-in conference ID has changed / expired / something. Fellow on the #powershell IRC isn't able to get in from the UK dial in number with the currently published ID: 4334578
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Mark Kraus 9:51 AM:
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progress!
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Keith Hill 9:51 AM:
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Is there a Set-ExperimentalFeature or do you have to munge a config json file?
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Kirk Munro 9:51 AM:
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Glad to hear that RFCs are no longer a place where ideas go to die.
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:52 AM:
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@keith, currently you have to hand craft the config json file. I’m hoping cmdets show up in preview3 to make this easy
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Keith Hill 9:53 AM:
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Guess Enable-ExperimentalFeature would be a better name.
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Joel Francis 9:53 AM:
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Just use discord lol
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Domansky, Mark 9:53 AM:
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Move to Teams: +1, works for my Office Hours weekly call.
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:53 AM:
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@keith, look at my RFC https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell-RFC/pull/148/files
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Joel Francis 9:53 AM:
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;)
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Keith Hill 9:54 AM:
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(y)
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Joel Francis 9:54 AM:
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My wife says hi btw (heart)
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Kirk Munro 9:54 AM:
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General feedback: the RFC process feels slow (not just because it's been low priority...the process itself seems designed to be quite slow).
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Ryan Yates 9:55 AM:
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Can you show more of the notes as I joined a little late
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Joel Francis 9:55 AM:
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Indeed. Should I be looking to write an RFC for proposed behaviours for pr#7993?
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Keith Hill 9:56 AM:
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Some changes should be a bit slow particularly to avoid breaking changes. Yeah, what Joey is saying now ...
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Mark Kraus 9:56 AM:
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joey/steve: I added https://aka.ms/PSCommunityCall and set you 2 as owners
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:57 AM:
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Thanks @mark!
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Joel Francis 10:01 AM:
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(y) sounds good
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Ryan Yates 10:01 AM:
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Yup
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PowerCode 10:01 AM:
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I wonder abit about your
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poshizzle 10:01 AM:
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(y)
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Ryan Yates 10:02 AM:
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some debt??? Just some.......:O
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PowerCode 10:02 AM:
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I'd like to hear your views on major breaking changes. It that an option, if it would enable substantial performance improvements?
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Ryan Yates 10:08 AM:
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Thanks @Steve :-)
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Paul DiMaggio 10:09 AM:
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really like that
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Ryan Yates 10:10 AM:
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So Tab Completion based on the Capitilsation in the Function/cmdlet names
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Mark Kraus 10:10 AM:
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Now it is time to start chosing cmdlet names based on fun abbreviations...
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Romero126 10:10 AM:
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I hear Daxxion is working on a security module. is there any public details on that?
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Bergmeister, Christoph (Reigate) 10:10 AM:
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:)
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Ryan Yates 10:11 AM:
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Hey Sidney
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Ryan Yates 10:11 AM:
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(wave)(wave)(wave)
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Ryan Yates 10:12 AM:
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GH Projects using GH Labels will work well
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Keith Hill 10:13 AM:
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seeminglyscience
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Bergmeister, Christoph (Reigate) 10:13 AM:
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no, @seeminglyscience
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Aleksandar 10:13 AM:
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any plans for bringing back Out-GridView and some other GUI-related commands?
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Kirk Munro 10:13 AM:
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Sidney, are you working towards making PowerShellGet much easier to use (remove the annoying errors, fix the update all scenario, fix the performance, etc.). Also, FxCop-like support for binary modules, and PSModuleAnalyzer.
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Kirk Munro 10:14 AM:
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(y)
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Edwin Young 10:15 AM:
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I have wondered about binary modules too. Do we see those as in scope for PSSA? The whole thing is focused around powershell AST today...
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:15 AM:
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@edwin, I think it’s a different tool
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Ryan Yates 10:16 AM:
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Sounds good to me :-)
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Edwin Young 10:16 AM:
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i'm used to it
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Aleksandar 10:17 AM:
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PowerShell Core support in Azure Automation service?
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Keith Hill 10:17 AM:
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Seems like you'd need a Rosyln-based code analyzer for binary module development. Does the team have such a beast for internal use?
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Joey Aiello 10:17 AM:
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Aiello
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Joey Aiello 10:17 AM:
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Joey
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Ryan Yates 10:19 AM:
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the runtime in functions will be v6 yes?
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:19 AM:
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yes
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Aleksandar 10:19 AM:
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Has anyone tried to deploy Az to Azure Automation?
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:19 AM:
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there’s work by AzAuto team to support that…
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Aleksandar 10:20 AM:
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I think "Deploy to Azure Automation" option should be removed from PSGallery
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Aleksandar 10:20 AM:
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for Az modules
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PowerCode 10:21 AM:
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I'm thinking on the level of rewriting PSOBject
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:22 AM:
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I’m intrigued
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Kirk Munro 10:26 AM:
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Not related to what Joey is currently saying: I'd love to get some attention on issues #7703 (designing modules for multi-runspace/multi-threaded use) and #8192 (module guidance on how to properly handle credential caching). Docs are definitely needed, plus possibly some features/functionality in PS itself.
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Sean Wheeler 10:26 AM:
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+1 for fsprovider v2
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PowerCode 10:27 AM:
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@Steve That is when when we pick it up when we're not bogged down by work :)
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:28 AM:
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(y)
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Joel Francis 10:28 AM:
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Heh, good point
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PowerCode 10:28 AM:
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Will there be a pwsh 7.0
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Joey Aiello 10:28 AM:
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:) unclear
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Joey Aiello 10:29 AM:
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We need to work out branch strategy once .NET Core 3.0 come into play
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Joel Francis 10:29 AM:
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Let's just skip to 10.0
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Joel Francis 10:29 AM:
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Like Windows :P
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PowerCode 10:29 AM:
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Because that would be a nice window ;)
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Aleksandar 10:29 AM:
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JEA in remoting over SSH?
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:29 AM:
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PowerShell X
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:29 AM:
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JEA over SSH is in the backlog, not in 6.2
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Romero126 10:29 AM:
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Is there a plan to grab more granular control over security locking down cmdlets / or unlocking specific types? Kind of like an ACL for a firewall?
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:30 AM:
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Please open an issue on what you need in terms of granularity
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Edwin Young 10:30 AM:
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/jea/overview ?
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Romero126 10:30 AM:
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Will do XD Thanks Steve.
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Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:30 AM:
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https://aka.ms/jeadocs
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Sean Wheeler 10:31 AM:
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Also, I forgot to mention the new feedback feature in the Docs
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Joel Francis 10:31 AM:
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Thanks guys!
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Joel Francis 10:31 AM:
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Have a good day everyone (heart)
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Ryan Yates 10:32 AM:
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That sounds like a really useful change Joey
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corey webster 10:33 AM:
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Thanks. Excellent Info.
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Keith Hill 10:33 AM:
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Thanks!
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Cat, Francois-Xavier (EUT & BTO) 10:33 AM:
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Thanks
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Joel Francis 10:33 AM:
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Cheers
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Romero126 10:33 AM:
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Thanks Joey!
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Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:33 AM:
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Thanks !
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Ryen Tang 10:33 AM:
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thanks
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Darwin Sanoy 10:33 AM:
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Thanks!

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# PowerShell Core Community Call - November 15, 2018
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## Agenda
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* documentation
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* recent releases
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* PowerShell RFCs
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* 6.2 priorities
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* new PM team member
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## Notes
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* documentation
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* PowerShell-Docs repo will be moved from PowerShell GitHub org to
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MicrosoftDocs GitHub org
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* GitHub redirects for a while, but update your Git remotes for when
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that redirection goes away
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* no ETA today except "soon"
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* will give us more CI/CD and authoring/publishing features
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* PowerShell Doc-a-thon
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* PowerShell Team and doc writers spent an entire day burning down
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doc debt
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* community is welcome to pick up documentation issues as well,
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beginning with `reference`/`Priority-High` that are unassigned issues
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* recent releases
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* 6.1.1 and 6.0.5 servicing releases shipped this week
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* contains some security fixes
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* update ASAP
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* 6.2.0-preview.2 will likely ship this week
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* case-insensitive tab completion on macOS/Linux
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* experimental feature shipping to run entire pipeline on remote end
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in implicit remoting scenarios
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* `Get-ExperimentalFeature` used to find out about more experimental
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scenarios
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* `WindowsCompatibility` module shipped GA this week
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* Bruce is publishing blog today
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* [Gallery module](https://powershellgallery.com/packages/WindowsCompatibility)
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and [GitHub repository](https://github.com/powershell/WindowsCompatibility)
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* PowerShell RFCs
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* drilling down RFC debt over the next few months
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* taking better notes on conversations
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* PS Team will be authoring more small RFCs
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* RFC process designed to be slow to give all stakeholders opportunity
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to provide input
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* experimental features help accelerate that process,
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we may ask some community PR submissions to hide between feature flags,
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with an RFC approval as the switch to take it out of experimental
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* Community Call
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* analyzing new technologies to migrate the Community Call
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(e.g. Teams, Discord, etc.)
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* 6.2 Priorities
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* automated release pipeline
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* incurring large cost of building/testing/publishing release packages
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* this cost compounds as our supported branches grow (6.0.x, 6.1.x, 6.2.x)
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* taking a larger dependency on Azure DevOps as it matures
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* we'd like to generalize a lot of this automation so that other projects
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can adopt the same patterns, practices, and tooling
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* we release on ~14 platforms (9 Linux distros, 10 Windows distros, etc.)
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* beginning with high-volume platforms/versions based on telemetry
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* we're going to continue merging community PRs
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* some small work from PS Team
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* `preview.3` will have an experimental feature for abbreviation expansion
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* fuzzy expansion may come in the future as well
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* ScriptAnalzyer will have new features to help with building modules
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against PowerShell Core and PowerShell Standard
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* question: "are Out-GridView and other GUI tools coming back?"
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* short-term: "in Windows, yes, with .NET Core 3.0"
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* new PM team member: Sydney Smith
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* main areas of focus
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* PowerShell Gallery / PowerShellGet
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* tooling: Editor Services, vscode-powershell, PSScriptAnalyzer
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* looking for feedback on the best way to communicate roadmap of these areas
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* question: "are we looking to improve PowerShellGet annoyances"
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* yes, especially around install/update
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* PowerShell Core Support in Azure Functions
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* reach out to me if you're interested in trying it out
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* [Ignite talk](https://myignite.techcommunity.microsoft.com/sessions/65888)
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on Azure Automation and Azure Functions
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* Aleksandar: "disable "Deploy to Azure Automation" for `az` until it works in AA"
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* question: "how are we thinking about the trade-off between performance
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* litmus test
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* [November 15, 2018](./20181115_Notes.md) ([YouTube recording](https://youtu.be/tXNApuN7t98) and [transcript](./20181115_ChatTranscript.txt))
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* October 18, 2018 (Cancelled)
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* [September 20, 2018](./20180920_Notes.md) ([YouTube recording](https://youtu.be/9YraKKUQv74) and [transcript](20180920_ChatTranscript.txt))
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* [August 16, 2018](./20180816_Notes.md) ([YouTube recording](https://youtu.be/eNIbm4h2guE) and [transcript](20180816_ChatTranscript.txt))
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* [July 19, 2018](./20180719_Notes.md) ([YouTube recording](https://youtu.be/0eu--5muiLI) and [transcript](20180719_ChatTranscript.txt))

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