Status of Pyramid (and other pylons projects)

[silenius]

Hello,

I'm wondering about the future of Pyramid (but I'm not the only one I guess), mainly due to the lack of commits/activity in the project(s) but also because several (quite important) issues/tickets are opened and stalling for a long time.

I'm a long time Pyramid user and I think it's a wonderful framework (I use it at $work too) but I must admit that I'm hesitant to use if for new projects regarding the uncertainties about his future and I think it would be useful to have a point of view / discussion from the maintainers about this.

Thank you :)

cc @mmerickel @mcdonc @stevepiercy

[luhn]

I'm very committed to Pyramid, as I've used in extensively in several active projects. If needed/wanted I'm willing to step up in the main project.

[russellballestrini]

I use Pyramid in countless ways & have no blockers in my path. https: //www.remarkbox.com https://www.makepostsell.com Framework software has less need to be changed. Is there a list of issues you are concerned about?

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[luhn]

Most urgent is that Pyramid doesn't work with the latest an upcoming version of setuptools. I've been [slowly] working on removing the dependency on legacy APIs, but in the meantime there's an open PR to constrain setuptools to working versions (#3795).

Less important, but still a roadbump for other PRs, is that all Actions builds are failing (#3793).

[ncouture]

That's the spirit, I'm glad to read this ni a thread I was highly anxious to read.

[mmerickel]

Hey friends, Pyramid isn't dead but it is severely lacking contributors. Due to life circumstances I haven't been spending time contributing. To my knowledge (sorry if I missed it) there has never been a really strong / active member of the community to step up to assist with the complex aspects of performing reviews (but most importantly releases) and so things have definitely languished without me but I am around and care a lot about the success of Pyramid. The release process is incredibly manual and tedious right now to manage the changelog and changes across branches, requiring quite a bit of focus to do - less so for bugfix bumps but especially for minor version bumps.

With respect to actual changes - I got stuck removing setuptools, had to open issues with the importlib team which they fixed, and I haven't had time to revisit since then to iron out the complex details remaining. Otherwise there really aren't blockers that I'm aware of that require improvements / changes to Pyramid other than likely modernization with typing and updating cookiecutters to pyproject.toml so that they are compatible with uv by default. Too much of maintenance within GitHub has become updating CI/CD actions which isn't reason enough for me to wake up in the morning.

These existing issues just aren't that critical because you can so easily pin setuptools in any modern toolchain and have no security implications to worry about, but maybe I can find some time to get back into it a bit. I no longer have active projects or paychecks depending on Pyramid personally however so it's difficult.

[petterroea]

There is/was a pyramid slack? I personally use Pyramid for a bunch of different projects and would like to contribute and talk to other pyramid users.

[jenstroeger]

There is/was a pyramid slack? I personally use Pyramid for a bunch of different projects and would like to contribute and talk to other pyramid users.

I’m not aware of one, but if there was I’d like to join as well. According to the community page there’s just IRC and a mailing list…

[stevepiercy]

There's still two #pyramid IRC channels, one on https://freenode.net/ and another on https://libera.chat/. These days all the cool kids are on Discord, but I don't know if anyone bothered to set up yet another service to further spread the community. IIRC, Slack was for attendees of Pyramid events and sprints, but it's been about a decade since then, and I can't remember.

[stevepiercy]

I forgot we also have a Keybase space https://keybase.io/team/pylons

[piotr-dobrogost]

@mmerickel

With respect to actual changes - I got stuck removing setuptools, had to open issues with the importlib team which they fixed, (…)

I was trying to find these issues but haven't managed to find any.
Could you please point me to them? I would like to take a look out of curiosity.

[silenius]

Thanks for those clarifications! and explanations I really appreciate all the work that have been done on Pyramid..!
As @luhn pointed I think the setuptools issue is currently the most urgent one.

[russellballestrini]

i am on the libra irc how do I find the discord?

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[stevepiercy]

You first create a Pyramid (or Pylons Project) Discord server, then invite people to it. AFAIK, none exists.

[russellballestrini]

Thanks mate, Joined the team on keybase. As for discord I already run a discord server on my account. Might be against terms of service to occupy two servers on discord.

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[petterroea]

You may run as many discord servers as you want on one account - this is a feature of Discord and one of the ways they try to differentiate themselves from slack.

I can help with setting up a server if wanted but I assume someone more central to the Pylons team should have some ownership

[stevepiercy]

Or just do it, and make pull requests in the appropriate repos, and post to the mailing list and other places to announce it. There is no central entity.

https://pylonsproject.org/about-pylons-project.html

The Pylons Project is composed of a disparate group of project leaders with experience going back to the very start of Python web frameworks.

Collectively, we have experience and humility gained by making (and surviving) every stupid decision that could be imagined. We aim to bring fresh ideas to classic web development problems.

[mmerickel]

FWIW I did setup a Discord server a while ago but since my activity has been so low lately I didn't advertise it - but if there's interest I'd be happy to have a place to interact realtime since I'm no longer using IRC. Keybase is around as well but I think Discord is likely more popular these days. https://discord.gg/2SZcvUVXbr

[petterroea]

I joined but it seems manual approval is necessary for each member

[mmerickel]

Thanks, I modified it to not require approval.

[ztane]

Well, I've posted the link around, let's get more folks

[stevepiercy]

We could use updates for:

• https://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/latest/#support-and-development
• https://trypyramid.com/community.html

...to say we're undead yet.

[ztane]

Which was done