XLibre
Consider moving to Codeberg #114
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Found the DEI GitHub has this too though, so it's probably still better |
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Is GitLab any better? |
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GitLab and GitHub are US companies that must follow US laws. |
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Self hosted Forgejo or something like that could work better, there are already people that have said that they want to help by hosting things, but maybe its only needed if github becomes an issue |
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In the case you are ok to create a CodeBerg mirror site, they give the opportunity to import a GitHub site. https://docs.codeberg.org/advanced/migrating-repos/
And after each commit+push on GitHub, just do this (adapting of course the name of your mirror):
This can be done also by a script each x time. |
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On top of that, Gitlab can be self-hosted so it can be separated from the official site, unlike Github or Codeberg... |
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CodeBerg can be self-hosted too: https://codeberg.org/pluja/iseeyourcash/wiki/Set-up-a-self-hosted-instance |
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I meant the entire web interface, not some crappy cryptocurrency POS. This is the kind of self hosting I'm talking about: https://about.gitlab.com/install/ |
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Ok, ok, to do CodeBerg self-hosted, you can do it easy with forgejo, the open-source that CodeBerg uses: PS: In my opinion self-hosting is a huge (boring) task to keep updating it. |
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True, and I'd rather avoid it too (metux chosen Github for a reason after all!) but it's good to have a plan B if the project gets the boot here for political reasons. |
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Codeberg has various issues. For example they don't allow you to just use any (free and) open-source license, it must be a license approved by OSI. What makes open-source license truly open-source are the terms of that particular license, not OSI's approval. OSI has no authority to dictate whether my license is open-source or not. This might not be a problem for XLibre right now but it might be a problem if XLibre would add new software components with unconventional open-source license(s). However, bigger problem of Codeberg is that they obviously have political leaning and they also state somewhere in their TOS that your account can be terminated for various reasons - and they can also limit your repos if Codeberg thinks it uses too much space on their servers. I really wanted to use and promote Codeberg but after digging deeper into it I realized I would lose a lot of freedom in what I can create and work on. Maybe one day I would say something really dumb somewhere on the internet and they would delete all of my work. I don't even know if I can host a portfolio as static website there since I don't know if you can share information about proprietary software on Codeberg pages. I have private instances of Gitea and SVN but as public service only GitHub allows me to do whatever I want - even though GitHub has many problems, especially Microsoft feeding its slop machine with your work. In 2025 it's either self-hosting or going through intense humiliation ritual on daily basis. |
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Interesting... and sad. Thanks for pointing this out. |
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Indeed, and GitHub offers wiki, discussion, great GitHub-actions, video-upload and video-player, ...
Maybe but who can guarantee that their server will be reliable and available in the long term? I agree that the perfect solution doesn't exist yet, but in my opinion, GitHub is the least bad. |
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Yes, GitHub is not good but it's the 'least bad' (and I went through my troubles with GitLab as well...). I have worries though, MS might do a rug-pull once they decide that GitHub is not useful enough for their purposes or it's too expensive. In other words, we are not really in control on this platform and self-hosting is a solution. To be honest I don't even like git and I go out of my way to not use it but it is what it is. Self-hosting is a pain, no doubt about that. |
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There's this curious discussion if you are interested: and for my OCD's sake I include reference: I might have slight understanding for their reasons. I think Codeberg really wants to avoid hosting BS projects and services on their servers and they do some good work in this aspect. However, this obsession about "seal of approval" from FSF/OSI turned some people away from hosting there. You might have perfectly valid open-source license but it violates Codeberg's TOS because it's not "officially approved" by some people on the other side of the world who have their own agendas. Their TOS might be perfectly fine for a lot of people/orgs, it might even be fine for XLibre, but when I see questionable decisions like these, I'm very worried. Then there are other problems I mentioned. German/Euro laws are not hard to comply with but Codeberg has additional ideological layer placed on top of them. I'm very sorry but I can't express enough how disappointed I am with Codeberg. |
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So, re-imho, mirroring is a (weak) protection but better than nothing. |
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As far as I understand (I might be wrong), metux pretty much has all the code on his machine(s) so there shouldn't be a big loss of data if GitHub goes dark, but I don't know if you can mirror issues, wiki, discussions, unmerged pull requests and whatnot. I only wanted to give my two cents about Codeberg and GitHub, I don't have a definitive solution for XLibre. It's interesting debate though. |
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It would be unwise to avoid GitHub or CodeBerg simply for DEI. They will get eyeballs onto the project. Plus it is easy to push to a second (,third, fourth, etc) mirror. |
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Thank you for your contribution! We currently restructured the "Ideas" discussions and accordingly this discussion will be moved to the X11Libre 4 Good Ideas For Later category. |
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Would it not perhaps be a good idea to use Codeberg (which is a non-bigtech GitLab/GitHub alternative) for this project? Or at least to also "officially" mirror it on Codeberg?
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