What does the DEI-free commitment mean?

[Denperidge]

It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies.

The above is an excerpt of the README. Due to DEI being a wide arrangement of definitions, practices and policies: could you outline what this means to you, and what it is that is(n't) allowed?

(Edit) especially since underneath that excerpt, you seem to be dedicated to the inclusion of everyone across the political/ethnicity/gender spectrums. But this also falls - for some - under traditional DEI policies

[probonopd]

Maybe it would be most productive to describe the project governance it terms of what it is (e.g.,: meritocracy, who codes decides, everyone is welcome, etc.) rather than what it is not.

[miranda]

Please take this anti-DEI nonsense out of the README. DEI is the opposite of discriminatory, despite what the current US government regime says.

I'm very interested in keeping X11 alive, but this is an extremely bad look for the project.

[guiodic]

One premise: I am a leftist.
About DEI: yes, in theory, looking at its name, it should be the most beautiful thing in the world.
The reality, however, is different. According to DEI policies, GNOME chose a woman who used to be a shamaness as a guide. She was only chosen because she was a woman and unconventional. She turned out to be a disaster.
In software development, only merit counts.

[smj-cc]

and... perhaps not just software...

[callmetango]

I'm very interested in keeping X11 alive [...]

I don't believe a single word you say.

If you, @miranda, were here about the software, you would ask: “Where can I help?” Then you would see where there is code to write, where documentation can be improved, what to contribute to the wiki, how to prepare XLibre for the distributions and how to advance the community as a whole. You could get to know the people here and their diversity.

But you don't do any of that. Instead you get upset about the README and from that I conclude that you are here for other reasons. It's your right to do that, but it's just not needed here.

[Slatepaws]

It means you're judged on your skills as a coder. You're politeness. Not characteristics a person cannot in reality change such as skin color and what's between their legs.

[Nurb4000]

It means you're judged on your skills as a coder. You're politeness. Not characteristics a person cannot in reality change such as skin color and what's between their legs.

That is my interpretation as well. "do good code and leave the rest at home on your own time"

[Denperidge]

It means you're judged on your skills as a coder. You're politeness. Not characteristics a person cannot in reality change such as skin color and what's between their legs.

Do you have any examples PR's in open source projects being approved solely on the basis of someone's gender identity/skin color?

Also, I don't want to be predantic, but changing what is in between your legs is objectively possible. Your opinions on what people can do with gender may vary, but those surgeries do just exist.

[kkmzero]

Funny how wayland enjoyers screamed for years about technological problems/shortcomings of X but surprisingly huge focus is placed on readme file instead as it's the most braindead way to attack this project. As if the readme is not explicit enough about who is welcomed:

It doesn't matter which country you're coming from, your politicial views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you're furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just an boring average person. Anybody's welcomed, who's interested in bringing X forward.

Close this pointless issue and stop embarrassing yourselves.

[steven-vd]

@miranda

Please take this anti-DEI nonsense out of the README. DEI is the opposite of discriminatory, despite what the current US government regime says.

I'm very interested in keeping X11 alive, but this is an extremely bad look for the project.

The anti-DEI part of the readme is useful for filtering out the kind of people who took over the previous version of x11. The people complaining about this would have never contributed in the first place.

[miranda]

So you want to attract people who are against diversity? This project is going be DOA rather than DEI.

The people who cry about DEI are the same people who cry about "white genocide" and the "great replacement theory".

The anti-DEI line is antithetical to everything else in the README claiming to be inclusive. Please remove it, and be specific instead.

[flossy83]

It just means you won't be treated any differently based on your race, nationality, sex, sexuality etc.

If you still don't get it, the E in DEI stands for equity which is the antithesis of equality. Equality means equal treatment, equity means equal outcomes.

[dec05eba]

Looks like the anti DEI message in the README is working, it's filtering out the worst people

[Denperidge]

Ouchie :(

[miranda]

I guess the fork will need to be forked if X11 is actually going to live on. Sounds like this project should probably be renamed to X11MAGA.

Or you know, the toxic anti-DEI nonsense line could just simply be removed from the README.

You're proving that this project actually isn't inclusive by calling me "the worst people" just because I am warning against using right-wing dog whistles in the README of a supposedly apolitical project.

What a shame.

[kkmzero]

I guess the fork will need to be forked if X11 is actually going to live on. Sounds like this project should probably be renamed to X11MAGA.

Or you know, the toxic anti-DEI nonsense line could just simply be removed from the README.

You're proving that this project actually isn't inclusive by calling me "the worst people" just because I am warning against using right-wing dog whistles in the README of a supposedly apolitical project.

What a shame.

I know it will come as a surprise to many of you trolls but the world does not revolve around US politics. The readme is saying in verbose way that EVERYONE is welcome as long as you want to help the project. You are ignoring it on purpose and desperately trying to create issue where is none. When it didn't work you quickly tried to be manipulative with statements such as: "This project is going be DOA rather than DEI.", creating some sort of passive-aggressive virtual threat to evoke fear. If that DEI line in readme is going to filter out this type of toxic people then I'm all for it.

[miranda]

Wake up. Calling something "anti-DEI" or "anti-woke" is what is actually toxic. It's a strong political culture-war alignment. To use that kind of divisive language and then say "everyone is welcome here" at the same time makes no sense. It is only going to drive people away, and that's just a fact. But I see I am in the minority here... which is just straight up tragic because I really do believe in keeping Xorg alive.

[Denperidge]

I know it will come as a surprise to many of you trolls but the world does not revolve around US politics.

Again, I hate to be pedantic, but the term DEI comes from the United States and is primarily used in their political framework.

(Not to mention both GitHub and X11 are american products. I am not from the US, but US legislation and political movements massively impact projects like these)

[flossy83]

Wake up. Calling something "anti-DEI" or "anti-woke" is what is actually toxic. It's a strong political culture-war alignment. To use that kind of divisive language and then say "everyone is welcome here" at the same time makes no sense.

Doesn't say "anti" dei or "anti" anything:

It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies

Being free of something isn't "anti", an example is separation of church and state doesn't mean the government is anti religion

[rbanffy]

Imho there should be GitHub Actions to build and test each PR.

The issue wasn't that those patches broke build, they broke functionality of other components and applications, GitHub Actions wouldn't prevent that afaik. However, I'm not against it personally, just a note.

They can run tests that can check a specific functionality is correct (and remains so in the future).

[probonopd]

Please don't spam.

I don't see this as "spam" but as useful information. However, I don't think that we should discuss everything in GitHub Issues. So maybe @metux or one of the admins could enable GitHub Discussions for this project?

With already 1.8k stars in a matter of just a few days there seems to be a lot of interest in this project.

[coffnix]

Please don't spam.

I don't see this as "spam" but as useful information. However, I don't think that we should discuss everything in GitHub Issues. So maybe @metux or one of the admins could enable GitHub Discussions for this project?

With already 1.8k stars in a matter of just a few days there seems to be a lot of interest in this project.

Thanks @probonopd for taking the time to clarify that my LiveCD is not spam.

Just to share more info with everyone: this LiveCD is a fully functional Gentoo/Funtoo/MacaroniOS system. You just boot it, type startx, and the full graphical desktop comes up. You can also run ego sync to sync with the official MacaroniOS repository and rebuild anything, however you want. The XLIBRE ebuild is located in /var/overlay/overlay-local, and you can edit or create any ebuild inside this overlay to test XLIBRE live on real hardware or in a VM. I posted this here specifically so developers can test XLIBRE in a highly customizable environment that fully supports Gentoo ebuilds with slight modifications if needed. I also patched the xorg-2.eclass so any package that depends on xorg-server can seamlessly compile using either x11-base/xorg-server or x11libre-base/xorg-server. No need to mass-edit the whole tree to make this work. Clean, simple, and efficient solution.

[ToneyFoxxy]

Equity and equality are not synonyms, nuff said

[oleid]

No matter if DEI is good or bad, DEI is a set of policies, and the best way to include all is having no policies except of "treating others nicely", which's what the readme-file suggests.

If the readme file only suggested this, it would be fine. But the whole readme file is full of politics. Explicitly banning DEI and using MAGA slang IS the very definition of being political.

So, right wing politics in software is good, and if people don't like it, they're the problem? Yeah whatever.

Yes, it's very good, because now everyone knows that Enricho believes in freedom instead of authoritarianism.

Actually, no, that's not what I've learnt.

[CwalkPinoy]

While the DEI-loving commies and COC cultists are busy crying, I’m just over here enjoying the Xorg Server from this fork, running smoothly on my MacaroniOS (a proud fork of the old Funtoo Linux). Works like a charm with my Rockchip RK3568, Mesa 24.1.7, libinput 1.23.0, and xf86-input-libinput 1.5.0 — everything solid, stable, fast — just like X is supposed to be.

https://github.com/coffnix/coffnix-ebuilds/blob/4a55374a3fdc3fe3e6b61a08cec6ab0ef6680444/x11libre-base/xorg-server/xorg-server-9999.ebuild

I'm trying to find your email to ask about macaronios but your website linked to your GitHub isn't a valid email address

[ToneyFoxxy]

Yes, it's very good, because now everyone knows that Enricho believes in freedom instead of authoritarianism.

Actually, no, that's not what I've learnt.

That statement shows that you are a leftist and therefore you are a deeply dishonest person. You claiming "that's not what I l've learnt" is not believable. DEI is authoritarian and discriminatory by nature, because to enforce diversity and equity, you must use authority over a group to discriminate. Otherwise you have no possible way of achieving equity or ensuring diversity.

[flossy83]

Yes, it's very good, because now everyone knows that Enricho believes in freedom instead of authoritarianism.

Actually, no, that's not what I've learnt.

That statement shows that you are a leftist and therefore you are a deeply dishonest person. You claiming "that's not what I l've learnt" is not believable. DEI is authoritarian and discriminatory by nature, because to enforce diversity and equity, you must use authority over a group to discriminate. Otherwise you have no possible way of achieving equity or ensuring diversity.

That is very true.

And also, if they are capable of implementing equity, then they are capable of implementing equality too. So why not just implement equality on its own? What's the downside? There isn't one. So they have no excuse for not implementing equality other than to personally benefit from discriminating against others whom they think are less deserving. It's totally gross!

I would love to be able to see the race/ethnicity of people who are pro Discrimination Exclusion Inequality (assuming they're not bots). What are the chances it's mostly people who stand to benefit from it? Conflict of interest?

[flossy83]

But the whole readme file is full of politics. Explicitly banning DEI

What rubbish, the readme doesn't ban any contributors from practicing DEI or making pro DEI statements. You are free to practice whatever cult rubbish you like. This does not mean you get to force others to. You are mad because your sick twisted DEI nonsense isn't being officially adopted, codified and enforced by the owner of this repo. Guess what? It never will! So you may as well just give up 🥰

[coffnix]

While the DEI-loving commies and COC cultists are busy crying, I’m just over here enjoying the Xorg Server from this fork, running smoothly on my MacaroniOS (a proud fork of the old Funtoo Linux). Works like a charm with my Rockchip RK3568, Mesa 24.1.7, libinput 1.23.0, and xf86-input-libinput 1.5.0 — everything solid, stable, fast — just like X is supposed to be.
https://github.com/coffnix/coffnix-ebuilds/blob/4a55374a3fdc3fe3e6b61a08cec6ab0ef6680444/x11libre-base/xorg-server/xorg-server-9999.ebuild

I'm trying to find your email to ask about macaronios but your website linked to your GitHub isn't a valid email address

[email protected]

[1280px]

I can only applaud the maintainers for this decision. Bravo! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[hf-ikea]

i love using wokeland