UPSTREAM PR #16925: Attempt to remove embd mangling for Qwen3VL and Qwen3VL-MOE

[DajanaV]

Mirrored from ggml-org/llama.cpp#16925

Not fully tested yet for vision (and maybe typos, so WIP)

Fixes #16908

[loci-agentic-ai]

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Performance Analysis Summary: LLaMA.cpp PR #39

Executive Summary

The analysis reveals minimal performance impact from PR #39, which removes embedding dimension mangling for Qwen3VL models. The observed degradations are primarily in C++ standard library operations rather than core inference functions, with overall power consumption showing a negligible decrease (-0.0002%).

Critical Function Performance Analysis

Core Inference Functions - No Impact

• llama_decode: 49,003,868 ns (0% change) - Primary inference function remains unaffected
• llama_tokenize: 834,822 ns (0% change) - Tokenization performance unchanged
• llama_model_load_from_file: 333,124,030 ns (0% change) - Model loading performance stable

Affected Functions - Minimal Impact

• llama_sampler_init_typical: +0.072% throughput degradation (110 ns)
• _M_default_append: +0.113% bottleneck degradation (113 ns)
• _Vector_base@plt: +0.054% response time degradation (9 ns)

KPI Impact Assessment

1. Tokens Per Second - No Impact

Status: No degradation in inference performance

• Core inference functions unchanged: llama_decode, llama_encode, llama_tokenize show 0% performance change
• Reference baseline: No impact on the 7% tokens/second degradation threshold (2ms llama_decode slowdown)
• Affected functions: None of the tokenization/inference critical path functions show measurable degradation

2. Power Consumption - Negligible Improvement

Status: Minimal power reduction across binaries

• build.bin.libllama.so: 306,978 nJ (-0.0002% decrease)
• build.bin.libggml-base.so: 90,434 nJ (0% change)
• build.bin.libggml-cpu.so: 151,692 nJ (0% change)
• build.bin.libggml.so: 6,339 nJ (0% change)

3. Quantization Efficiency - No Impact

Status: No changes to quantization functions

• llama_model_quantize: No performance degradation detected
• Quantization formats: Q4_0, Q4_1, Q8_0 processing unchanged
• GGUF loading: Model loading performance remains stable

4. Memory Usage - Potential Improvement

Status: Corrected tensor dimensioning may improve memory efficiency

• Tensor allocation: Removed artificial n_embd inflation eliminates unnecessary memory calculations
• KV cache operations: No performance impact on llama_memory_* functions
• Memory allocation patterns: _M_default_append shows minor degradation (+0.113%) in vector operations

5. Batch Processing - No Impact

Status: Batch processing functions unaffected

• llama_batch_init: No performance changes detected
• llama_batch_get_one: Batch creation performance stable
• Dynamic batching: No impact on batch size management

Root Cause Analysis

Code Changes Impact

The PR's embedding dimension corrections affect:

• Model initialization: Simplified tensor dimension calculations
• Vision model processing: Corrected tensor view creation for Qwen3VL architectures
• Memory layout: Eliminated artificial dimension mangling

Performance Degradation Sources

The minimal degradations observed are attributed to:

• C++ standard library operations: PLT resolution overhead and vector operations
• Memory layout changes: Potential cache locality effects from binary modifications
• Compiler optimizations: Different optimization patterns affecting standard library calls

Action Items

Immediate Optimizations

1. Link-time optimization: Enable -Wl,-z,now for immediate symbol binding to reduce PLT overhead
2. Library consolidation: Consider static linking for performance-critical standard library operations
3. Memory alignment: Review tensor alignment in Qwen3VL models for optimal cache performance

Code Quality Improvements

1. Dimension validation: Add compile-time assertions for n_embd and n_deepstack_layers consistency
2. Documentation updates: Clarify embedding dimension handling in Qwen3VL architecture documentation
3. Test coverage: Implement regression tests for Qwen3VL model loading and inference performance

Build System Enhancements

1. Compiler flags: Evaluate LTO (Link Time Optimization) impact on standard library performance
2. Symbol visibility: Apply __attribute__((visibility("hidden"))) to internal symbols
3. Section ordering: Optimize linker script for improved code locality

Conclusion

PR #39 successfully removes embedding dimension mangling without impacting core inference performance. The changes represent a net improvement in code clarity and architectural consistency, with negligible performance overhead confined to standard library operations. The corrections to Qwen3VL tensor dimensioning eliminate potential memory inefficiencies while maintaining inference throughput.