Possible better genre tree

[MrDowntempo]

I've been playing with lastgenre lately. It does a great job, but grabs a few genres I don't want, and misses some I do, so I realized I'd have to setup a slightly different genre tree. (Regardless, I think a blacklist: feature would be very handy too). The fact that city pop and vaporwave were missing bugged me, and I did some googling and stumbled upon this resource:

https://www.musicgenreslist.com/#music-genre-list

They offer a download, but it's a PDF and has a lot fewer genres than the webpage itself. There's some commentary and extra stuff that would need to be cleaned up. I'm going to give it a shot on my personal collection. Would this be something useful to submit here? If so, maybe the scraper could be rewritten to pull from this source and do the cleanup for us.

[RollingStar]

There's also RYM, but I haven't compared the two lists. https://rateyourmusic.com/genres/

[MrDowntempo]

I've not done a thorough comparison, but some quick back of the napkin math totaling the subcatagories shows that rateyourmusic has about double the amount of genres as musicgenrelist.

[JOJ0]

Hi.

Regarding the blacklist idea, I just drafted something together that addresses one of my personal feature wishes: #5744

Could be a basis for further ideas on how a blacklist feature works. What do you all think?

[MrDowntempo]

Looks pretty close to what I was after, however I'd prefer a way to allow it to act more globally than on a artist by artist basis (although that's cool too, and I could work with that on a case by case if I had to.) I'm also curious if it would blacklist all subgenres beneath it, so if I blocked Rock it'd also block Surf Rock, Alt-Rock etc. Which is what I'd usually want when blocking a genre.

[JOJ0]

regex is the answer @MrDowntempo : a regex pattern "rock" would include all genres that have that pattern in the name 🎉

I started to work on this PR again and will get it review-ready soon I hope :-)

[MrDowntempo]

regex is the answer @MrDowntempo : a regex pattern "rock" would include all genres that have that pattern in the name 🎉

I'm not sure. In the example I provided, sure, RegEx could cover it. But there are lots of subgenres that don't include their parent genre in their name. Baroque as a subgenre of Classical, IDM as a branch of Electronica, Thrash as a subgenre of Rock etc.

[JOJ0]

Regarding the scraper and genre tree fetcher, some first thoughts:

Basically a good idea to upgrade the scraper to work with a better source than wikipedia. I had a look at both suggestions but can't decide what's better...

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_genres_and_styles does incluce Vaporwave btw! What happens if yoou use the current scraper and re-fetch from wikipedia? Does that still work or is broken already?

[JOJ0]

I left a comment at that site.

I wont have time doing it but want to ask again: Why not try playing with the existing scraper? Anyone?

[arsaboo]

It should be easy to generate one ourself. Let me know if we want one and I can get it.

[MrDowntempo]

I left a comment at that site.

I wont have time doing it but want to ask again: Why not try playing with the existing scraper? Anyone?

I've only been using beets for a couple months, and am more dangerous than useful when it comes to Python. I'm also still working on getting my config.yaml up to snuff in other ways. But I will dip my toes into giving that a shot in the coming days (no promises about it being productive experimentation though!)

[JOJ0]

It should be easy to generate one ourself. Let me know if we want one and I can get it.

Generate a genre list? Or generate a scraper?

[arsaboo]

Either is doable...but given that it is not likely to be updated frequently, we can generate a list. I don't think it's worth adding the complexity of a scraper in beets.