Proposal: Modify Cell Methods Guidelines to Accomodate Empirical Sea Ice Datasets #421
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Dear @Bruce-T-T-Calvert Thanks for setting out these issues. It seems to me that three specific use-cases you give are of different kinds.
Best wishes Jonathan |
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Dear Bruce Yes, I agree with you that if we provide There are 15 standard names which use thresholds and contain Best wishes |
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Dear @Bruce-T-T-Calvert CF uses coordinate variables for all purposes where the data variable is a function of the numerical value of some other quantity. The coordinate variables are the independent variables on which the data variable depends. Thresholds are a particular case of this, because the data variable's values depend on the choice of threshold. There are many other examples e.g.
For thresholds, I think this is better than putting a numerical value in
Regarding the new standard names, I think I agree that we could define a new Others' views would be helpful. I'll label this discussion as suitable to be refered from the FAQ. Best wishes Jonathan |
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I have not followed this issue in detail, nor the one on lake or sea standard names. Hence I limit my comment to the question of a new cell method mechanism vs. threshold coordinate. I fully support @JonathanGregory's preference for the latter for exactly the same reasons as Jonathan write about. |
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Dear @Bruce-T-T-Calvert and @JonathanGregory's, |
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Topic for discussion
The current definition of the sea_ice_area_fraction standard name does not well include how it is currently being used in empirical sea ice datasets. I suggest that the CF Convention guidelines be modified to provide advice on how to better indicate the precise definition of sea_ice_area_fraction used by modifying the cell methods.
Background:
As discussed in this recent thread, the definition of sea_ice_area_fraction was clarified to include the following: "an area fraction is evaluated as the area of interest in the cell divided by the grid cell area... "Sea ice" means all ice floating in the sea which has formed from freezing sea water, rather than by other processes such as calving of land ice to form icebergs." Also, a different thread suggests that the Caspian Sea and the Great Lakes are lake regions rather than sea regions. I understand that these definitions were constructed primarily with CMIP climate modelling in mind, but their application to empirical datasets can be problematic for a few reasons:
Two alternative approaches were mentioned in the first thread: changing the definition of sea_ice_area_fraction such as to include calved ice or creating a new standard name to better accommodate empirical datasets. The first alternative approach isn't desirable due to the use of sea_ice_area_fraction by the climate modelling community, while the second approach isn't desirable as it could create confusion and inconsistencies due to the existing prevalence of "sea_ice_area_fraction" and "sea ice concentration" by the empirical sea ice dataset community.
Proposal:
I propose to indicate in the CF Convention guidelines ways to clarify the sea_ice_area_fraction in the cell methods. If no cell methods are listed, then the default assumption should be that sea_ice_area_fraction aligns with its current definition (which is oriented towards the climate modelling community).
I am not sure of the best way to indicate these nuances using cell methods, but below are some ideas:
This approach would involve a slight broadening of the definition of the sea_ice_area_fraction standard name. For example, the text ""Sea ice" means all ice floating in the sea which has formed from freezing sea water, rather than by other processes such as calving of land ice to form icebergs." would have to be changed, such as to "If cell_methods are not provided, then "sea ice" means all ice floating in the sea which has formed from freezing sea water, rather than by other processes such as calving of land ice to form icebergs."
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