Add minutes from 2021-07-14

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+# 2021-07-14 conda-forge core meeting 
+
+****
+
+[Zoom link](https://flatiron.zoom.us/j/93242638216?pwd=bjRCWmVJRW1oTGJhN09VUmxtTTJOUT09)
+[What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://arewemeetingyet.com/UTC/2020-08-26/17:00/w/Conda-forge%20dev%20meeting#eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2hhY2ttZC5pby9wUk15dFVKV1FmU3NJM2xvMGlqQzJRP2VkaXQifQ==)
+[last weeks meeting](https://hackmd.io/gb3Rqs_iSWSCl2FvrBVrvA)
+
+## Attendees
+
+## Agenda
+
+### Standing items
+
+* [x] intros for new folks on the call
+    * Jannis
+    * Alex - engineer working on installer 
+    
+* [x] (CJ) budget
+    * current approvals?
+    * Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
+        * Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)
+
+* [x] open votes
+
+
+#### From previous meeting(s)
+
+### Your __new__() agenda items
+
+- [x] (IF): NumFOCUS Small Development Grant
+    - Update GCC compilers and support cross-compiling scenarios. 
+    - Got approved by university last week. Can start working now.
+    - First thing is going to be moving away from crosstools-ng. 
+    - going to be building GCC directly with their configure scripts.
+    - Work has started now and lets see how it goes
+    - Anaconda may want to have a look. Will send WIP PR and tag Anaconda folks
+
+- [x] (IF): CUDA 11.3, 11.4
+    - (IF) Adding CUDA 11.3, 11.4 will add 30 more jobs (3 platforms * 5 python * 2 cuda)
+    - (IF) This will add to already big matrices with ~60 jobs making it a
+      denial of service to other feedstocks
+    - (IF) There's a way to reduce the matrix by building for only one CUDA 11.x version
+        - This would reduce CI time
+        - Avoid rebuilding heavy packages like pytorch which has to be done manually.
+        - almost all libs in 11.x depends only on major version except for 2-3 libs (e.g., nvrtc)
+        - Can we rate limit the Azure workers on a per-feedstock basis? 
+            - Maybe limiting to 50 parallel builds would be sufficient to not hog the queue
+            - long running jobs like pytorch is an issue. 
+        - we could use https://cirun.io/auth/login w/ aws and GHA
+    - (JK) `cudatoolkit` packaging plans
+
+- [x] (IF): Drop numpy 1.17 on July 26
+    - https://numpy.org/neps/nep-0029-deprecation_policy.html
+
+- [ ] (JK): CUDA ARM packaging
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/cudatoolkit-feedstock/pull/59
+
+
+### Pushed to next meeting
+
+### Active votes
+
+### Subteam updates
+
+#### Bot
+
+#### ARM
+
+#### POWER
+
+#### CUDA
+
+#### Docs
+
+#### staged-recipes
+
+#### website
+
+#### security+systems
+
+### CI infrastructure
+
+#### Compiler upgrade
+
+### CFEP updates
+
+#### Open PRs
+
+* [cfep-04](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-enhancement-proposals/pull/7) X11 and CDT policy
+    * INACTIVE - Merge in with some inactive-esque status?
+    * Needs new champion. Thanks for your work on this pkgw! Has unaddressed comments from pkgw as from Jan 10, 2020
+    Solved: Let's defer and keep the "mixed model" we have now.
+
+* [cfep-06](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-enhancement-proposals/pull/9) Staged-recipes review lifecycle
+    * INACTIVE - Merge in with some inactive-esque status?
+    * Lingering comment from @saraedum. @jakirkham, can you reply? Has unadressed comment from @saraedum from Jan 8, 2020
+    * (MRB) The stalebot has solved the worst of the issues here. I think we could defer this one permanently.
+    Solved: defer in favor of the stale bot for now.
+    
+* [cfep-15](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-enhancement-proposals/pull/15) Feedstock statuses, unmaintained
+    * INACTIVE - Merge in with some inactive-esque status?
+    * Needs another review. Has unaddressed updates from pkgw as of Jan 11, 2020
+    Pending: re-pinged pkgw for a second review.
+
+* [cfep-12](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/23) Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
+    * Stalled since May 26, 2020
+    * Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
+    * Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
+    * What were the results of the vote?
+    * Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded
+
+* [cfep-17](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/32) Handling pin backports and dependency rebuilds
+    * Stalled debate about implementation details between Isuru, CJ and Matt
+    * **UPDATE 2020-07-22**: We in principle have agreement to render the extra pinnings needed directly in the feedstock 
+      on a temporary basis (i.e., until the migration has ended).
+
+* [cfep-19](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/35) Pinning epochs
+    * Stalled since July
+
+* [cfep-20](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/39) Package split
+    * No updates for ~1 month
+
+
+## Discussion
+
+## Check in on previous action items
+Copy previous action items from last meeting agenda.
+
+### This meeting
+
+### Last meeting
+
+### 2 meetings ago
+
+### Move to Issue Tracker
+2020-11-18
+* [ ] (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
+    * todo
+        * [ ] (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
+        * [ ] (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
+        * [ ] (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
+        * [ ] (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI 
+        * [x] (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
+* [ ] (MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
+    * [ ] TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
+        * Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.
+
+2020-11-11
+* TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers
+
+2020-11-03
+* TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
+* [x] (FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD.
+  * Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds.
+
+2020-10-28
+2020-10-21
+* [ ] (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
+    * ( ) [ ] make a hint
+    * ( ) [ ] make an announcement
+    * ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint
+
+2020-10-07
+* [ ] Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)
+
+2020-09-09
+* [ ] (ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
+* [ ] (SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/master/src/inst_partners.yaml
+* [ ] (SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access
+
+2020-08-26
+**Docker hub**
+* [ ] (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
+* [ ] (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
+    * [ ] Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23
+
+**OVH**
+* [ ] Shout-out on twitter at some point. "Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM", etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?)
+
+
+* [ ] Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes
+
+* [ ] John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker
+* [ ] Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.) 
+* [ ] Jonathan will review this [PR](https://github.com/AnacondaRecipes/cudatoolkit-feedstock/pull/7)
+
+* [ ] (Kale) schedule conda working group
+* [ ] cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback
+* [ ] cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward
+* [ ] jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot
+* [ ] (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering
+    * Will try and get this scheduled in the next month.
+* [ ] (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files.
+* [ ] (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in?
+* [ ] (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves?
+* [ ] (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python's we're going to support
+* [ ] (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today
+* [ ] (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks
+* [ ] (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team)
+    * https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/954
+* [ ] (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like:
+    * who's the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure
+    * who's the POC for the various subteams?
+    * Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you're here, etc.
+    * Public or internal? I don't really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
+    * opt-in to public bios
+    * software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors
+    * some concern about "yet another place to keep stuff up to date"
+* [ ] (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge
+* [ ] (UK) Static libraries stuff
+    * [ ] Add linting hints to builds to find them
+    * [x] Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18
+    * [x] We should write docs saying we don't provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18