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Add meeting notes 2024-05-15 (#2182)
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tags: [meeting-notes]
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title: '2024-05-15'
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# conda-forge core meeting 2024-05-15
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Add new agenda items under the `Your __new__() agenda items` heading
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- [Zoom link](https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09)
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- [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://dateful.com/convert/utc?t=5pm)
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- [Previous meetings](https://conda-forge.org/community/minutes/)
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## Attendees
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| Name | Initials | GitHub ID | Affiliation |
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| ----------------------- | -------- | --------------- | --------------------------- |
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| Matthew R Becker | MRB | beckermr | conda-forge |
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| Nichita Morcotilo | NM | nichmor | prefix.dev |
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| Marcel Bargull | MB | mbargull | Bioconda/cf |
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| Filipe Fernandes | FF | ocefpaf | conda-forge |
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| Klaus Zimmermann | KZ | zklaus | Quansight |
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| Wolf Vollprecht | WV | wolfv | prefix.dev |
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| John Kirkham | JK | jakirkham | NVIDIA/cf |
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X people total
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### Standing items
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- [ ]
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### From previous meeting(s)
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### Active votes
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### Your __new__() agenda items
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- [X] (JK) Conda-build 24.5.0
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- Now released. Small [hiccups](https://github.com/conda-forge/status/issues/177) in conda-forge-ci-setup with deprecated code that was already cleared up.
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-ci-setup-feedstock/issues/317
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- Watch for `conda_build.config.subdir` imports and similar lines.
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- Could we add some testing with Conda Canary or make the warnings more visible
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- Perhaps https://github.com/conda-forge/cf-autotick-bot-test-package-feedstock
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-smithy/issues/1881
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- [X] Fundable tasks
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/2172
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- Hard to build a long list of items in HackMD or similar
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- Could we track this list on GH directly by labeling issues or similar
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- Looking for feedback/discussion on this issue
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- Would be nice to have this ready when someone shows up with a checkbook :)
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- PSF uses this approach: https://github.com/psf/fundable-packaging-improvements
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- Could either centralize to webpage repo (maybe with stub issues) or decentralize by just adding labels on repo issues where needed
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- How to discover?
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- Ideally want a link to find them all
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- [X] (JK) GLIBC 2.28
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- (JK) CDT list ready?
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/cdt-builds/issues/66
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- (IF) What to do with the ones with the `?`
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- (HV) Could build them for safety
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- (IF) Should we wait until they are requested
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- (HV) Concern that this could be fairly slow process
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- (HV) Might make it slow to upgrade
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- (IF) Would like to reduce these on the outset
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- (HV) Can we review `libglvnd`?
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/staged-recipes/pull/25919
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- (IF) Licenses (bug?) in https://github.com/conda-forge/cdt-builds? Couldn't find them
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- (MRB) May be a bug
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- Items marked with green checks at https://github.com/conda-forge/cdt-builds/issues/66#issuecomment-1833417828 can be part of the new rebuilds
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- IF: Let's not add cos8 to the cdt_name, let's just use 'conda' to get rid of `cdt_name` in the pinnings and so.
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- (JK) Noted in issue: https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1941
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- (HV) Compilers already account for this
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- (MRB) sysroot repodata hack can be dropped
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- [X] (JK) NumPy 2
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- (HV) Currently best [option](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-pinning-feedstock/pull/5851#issuecomment-2111433502) seems to "soft-close" 3.12 migration; avoids a lot of PR churn, but keeps status page and bot running.
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- Adding NumPy 2.0 bump in Python 3.12 migrator would break that migrator
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- Build with Python 3.12 (lots of churn)
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- (Soft-)Close Python 3.12
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- Def of Soft
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- Apply migration to global pinnings
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- Keep migrator open
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- Benefit is tracking status of migrator
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- (MRB) In favor of soft-closing
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- (HV) Have typical run until the end
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- (MB) Time a migrator stays open is not defined anywhere, so it's ok to override the "normal time other migrators have stayed open"
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- (IF) Possible technical solution. Is there a key ignore option?
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- (MRB) It is undocumented
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- (MRB) [`override_cbc_keys`](https://github.com/regro/cf-scripts/blob/master/conda_forge_tick/make_migrators.py#L387)
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- (MRB) Allows to override what keys are used from `conda-build-config`
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- (MRB) Link: https://github.com/regro/cf-scripts/blob/master/conda_forge_tick/make_migrators.py#L387
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- Consensus is soft-closing Python 3.12 migration to unblock NumPy 2
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- (MB) Recommend adding a note that is a pragmatic decision. Not based on a subset of the community's recommendation
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- [X] (JK) CUDA ppc64le support
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/cuda-feedstock/issues/27
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- Noted in CUDA 12.4 next release won't have ppc64le support in CTK
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- Still building with CUDA 12.0 in conda-forge, which still has ppc64le support
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- Also existing packages through CUDA 12.4 are still available
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- [X] (HV) NumPy [considering](https://github.com/numpy/numpy/pull/26430#issuecomment-2108839048) to move to VS2022 baseline
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- Probably far-reaching enough that we'd have to upgrade too
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- VS2019 is EOL since a few weeks, but not yet being removed from various CI providers
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- JRG: Azure has no mentions of future vs2019 deprecations at https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines/agents/hosted?view=azure-devops&tabs=yaml
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- [x] (WV) Neighbourhoodie SOW accepted :tada:
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- [x] (WV / NM) rattler-build support in conda-smithy
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-smithy/pull/1876
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- Any questions?
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- (MRB) reviewing currently :)
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- (WV) Label handling
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- (IF) Handled in conda-forge-ci-setup
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- (IF) Please send a PR :)
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- [X] (MRB) lots of recent bot work
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- bot now carefully uses docker containers for isolation of recipe / user code from bot info for most steps
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- migrations as objects can now be serialized to JSON
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- documentation has moved to the README in the bot repo (no more GH pages, all links should be updated)
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- cleaned out old code, env vars, etc.
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- logs should be a lot easier to parse now
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- [ ] (IF) Mingw support
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- Cross compiler works now (`host=linux-64` -> `target=win-64`)
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- Need native compiler to work (`host=win-64` -> `target=win-64`)
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- Needed for R builds
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- https://github.com/conda-forge/ctng-compilers-feedstock/pull/134
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- Building this with `build=linux-64`. conda-build has issues here https://github.com/conda/conda-build/issues/5341
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- conda-libmamba-solver also has to fix some things
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### Pushed to next meeting
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- [ ] (JK) CUDA 12
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### CFEPs
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