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+# conda-forge core meeting 2022-05-18
+
+Add new agenda items under the `Your __new__() agenda items` heading
+
+[last weeks meeting](https://hackmd.io/MlGQrumVTm2-Al32x21waA)
+[What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://arewemeetingyet.com/UTC/2020-08-26/17:00/w/Conda-forge%20dev%20meeting#eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2hhY2ttZC5pby9wUk15dFVKV1FmU3NJM2xvMGlqQzJRP2VkaXQifQ==)
+Meeting info: 
+* To join the video meeting, click this link: https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09
+* Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 347-384-8597 and enter this PIN: 828 997 153#
+* To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/ijv-qsvm-tvn?hs=5
+
+## Attendees
+
+| Name               | Initials | GitHub ID       | Affiliation                 |
+| ------------------ | -------- | --------------  | --------------------------- |
+| Cheng H. Lee       | CHL      | chenghlee       | Anaconda                    | 
+| Jaime Rodríguez-G. | JRG      | jaimergp        | Quansight                   | 
+| Jannis Leidel      | JL       | jezdez          | Anaconda/conda-forge        | 
+| Filipe Fernandes   | FF       | ocefpaf         | conda-forge                 | 
+| Daniel Ching       | DJC      | carterbox       | Argonne National Lab        |
+| Travis Hathaway    | TH       | travishathaway  | Anaconda                    | 
+| Dave Clements      | DPC      | tnabtaf         | Anaconda                    | 
+| John Kirkham       | JK       | jakirkham       | NVIDIA/cf                   | 
+| Katherine Kinnaman | KK       | kathatherine    | Anaconda                    | 
+| Henry Schreiner    | HFS      | henryiiii       | Princeton University        |
+| Carl Anderson      | CA       | barabo          | Anaconda                    |
+| Wolf Vollprecht    | WV       | wolfv           | QuantStack                  |
+| Roman Yurchak      | RY       | rth             | Pyodide / Symerio           |
+| Tania Allard | TA | trallard | Quansight |
+| Jon Velando | JV | rigzba21 | IC | 
+| Marcelo Trevisani  | MDT      | marcelotrevisani | conda-forge.               |
+
+20 people total.
+
+
+### Standing items
+
+* [ ] intros for new folks on the call
+
+* [ ] (FF) budget
+    * current approvals?
+        * FF: approved last payment from CZI to Wolf, the last one from the old platform! following ones will use the new one.
+    * Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
+        * Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)
+    * something something open collective. numfocus sent out an email for onboarding
+
+* [ ] open votes
+    * none, but MRB will be starting a vote soon
+
+* [ ] 2022 Outreachy / GSoC 
+    * Community accepted
+    * [Project proposals](https://hackmd.io/uO6vV2V7T8eDyagZ_y7iQA#Project-2-Grayskull-and-Friends) due Tuesday/Wednesday March 22 (Americas) / March 23 (Europe)
+        * In addition to project propsal also need contribution tasks
+        * And Channels for potential interns to communicate with us.
+    * Two projects
+        * Grayskull and Friends, Jannis, and Marcelo (pyproject.toml support)
+        * Doc, Matt and Katherine
+    * questions:
+        *  
+    * todos:
+        * Have people got time to support Grayskull work?  (JL, DPC will follow up)
+    * [ ] KK - do we have a code of conduct?
+    * [ ] MRB and KK will have their own meeting around proposals
+    * not much else to talk about for now until the intern starts
+    * KK: Selected an intern, to start on May 20th. Announcement to be done soon.
+
+- [X] (WV) regro PAT Github Flag -- only public packages afterwards OK?
+    - Packages/containers uploaded with a PAT should be uploaded as public to reduce load, but currently they are uploaded as private
+    - GitHub might be able to set a special setting for us so the default is public
+    - Possible question/vote: create a separate org for conda-forge-artifacts?
+    - Interested people can join the discussion on Keybase (bot chat)
+
+- [ ] (MRB) numfocus TOS draft
+    - if you're on core, draft of TOS has been sent to email list. 
+    - Pam has some questions that we (core) needs to respond to.
+    - Need to be sensitive on pushing too much onto the community
+    - TODO: Everyone on core needs to read, comment or otherwise be OK with the email from Pam
+    - TODO: Get Feedback from core team by next core meeting
+    - Email title: "Draft of ToS for your review"
+    - core members please add comments by May 20th! check your mail or ask Matt :)
+
+### From previous meeting(s)
+
+- [x] TODO: Feedback on TOS from core team by next core meeting
+
+- [x] (DJC) Any response from Microsoft about MSVC redistribution license for conda-forge?
+    - No news yet
+
+### Your __new__() agenda items
+
+- [x] (JRG) CZI LOI was accepted. Preparing the full submission, we need to describe current status to an extent, and then the plan. So, for now, some questions about CF's infra:
+    - [ ] Is it documented anywhere? Even just partial drafts? I have some notes but more details will be needed for the submission.
+    - [ ] Risk assessment: critical parts / vulnerabilities / points of failure?
+    - [ ] Metadata centralization: what would we need to store in a hypothetical, API-first database? Performance expectations? 
+    - [ ] Which parts of the infra rely on the different data repos (libcfgraph, cf-graph-countyfair, etc)?
+    - For reference the LOIs are in https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/pull/1741
+
+- [x] (FF) pyodide + WASM discussion
+
+- [x] (FF) Start a list of fundables again based on core members wishlist
+    - (JRG) See ongoing work [here](https://hackmd.io/wdysI0InSHKePxQuWQyZLg?both), based on [https://hackmd.io/0zGSUS71SbOdBsdLtDmGjg](this other one)
+
+- [x] (JRG) GPU server updates
+- [x] (TH) Starting to CEP-7 on CPython Version Support (official policy towards what versions of Python are supported and when we begin supporting them)
+    - https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/24: open for comments
+- [x] (CA, JL) conda-forge CDN sync improvements
+    - [ ] new conda-index project in conda incubator, moving conda index out of conda-build
+    - [ ] WIP: https://github.com/conda-incubator/conda-index/pull/1
+- [x] (CHL) Heads up on binutils 2.38 + OpenBLAS
+    - ELF `LOAD` misalignment on Barcelona kernels; breaks compatibility with `glibc` <2.35 (DSO cannot be properly loaded)
+    - Repeatable with Anaconda, Fedora, and Ubuntu binutils 2.38
+    - todo:
+        - Will open issue on binutils feedstock
+        - remove barcelona kernels in openblas too
+- [x] (JK) `r-base` compiler issues 
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/ctng-compiler-activation-feedstock/issues/74
+
+- [x] (JL) FYI: first two Conda Enhancement Proposals voting started
+    - [ ] Runs through 2022-05-24 (next week Tuesday!)
+    - [ ] CEP 2 - Plugin architecture for conda: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/issues/23
+    - [ ] CEP 3 - Using the Mamba solver in conda: https://github.com/conda-incubator/ceps/pull/2
+
+- [x] (WV) FYI Github Feature flag enabled for https://github.com/channel-mirrors
+    - We can (re-)start the mirroring of conda-forge to the OCI packages there! :)
+
+- [x] (FF) RStudio package in staged-recipes
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/staged-recipes/pull/18320
+
+
+### Pushed to next meeting
+
+
+### Active votes
+
+### CFEPs
+
+* [cfep-12](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/23) Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
+    * Stalled since May 26, 2020
+    * Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
+    * Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
+    * What were the results of the vote?
+    * Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded
+
+### TODOs
+[2022-04-05](https://hackmd.io/CqkOlf0XQMOh23Wnmt9qTQ)
+
+* TODO: Articulate suggested mechanism for "so you're thinking about taking a contract to work on conda-forge". tl;dr is you should work on a design doc with the impacted parties (or working groups, or interested folks) on the conda-forge side. Once you have agreement on the scope, delivery timeline, and anything that's needed from the conda-forge volunteer side, go ahead and sign that contract with your payer. if you don't do this first, you may encounter some difficulties finishing delivery of your contractual agreement with your payer.
+
+2022-01-12
+* review Qt PR after logs are uploaded
+* Add cupython and cuquantum to don't mirror list (MRB done)
+* re: `std=c++14`, Wait for Kai to comment and merge the PR
+* CJ and Jaime coordinate to Let Maxiconda know that we can't use their logo
+2021-12-01
+* WV: Set up meet-and-greet call with homebrew team?
+* MRB: (repodata patches) make a cron job that runs show_diff.py and posts an issue + commit if it is non-empty
+* 
+2021-11-03
+- Self-hosting CI TODOs: 
+    - Change URL from drone.conda-forge.org. Proposals:
+        - woodpecker.conda-forge.org
+        - ci.conda-forge.org
+    - Set up monitoring
+        - Quantstack is setting up grafana for the mirror
+    - 
+
+2021-10-18
+
+2021-09-22
+
+* [x] (WV): TensorFlow-GPU ready to go, just need to decide if GPU should get prio over CPU?!
+    * GPU gets prio
+
+
+2020-11-18
+* [ ] (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
+    * todo
+        * [ ] (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
+        * [ ] (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
+        * [ ] (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
+        * [ ] (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI 
+        * [x] (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
+* [ ] (MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
+    * [ ] TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
+        * Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.
+
+2020-11-11
+* TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers
+
+2020-11-03
+* TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
+
+2020-10-28
+2020-10-21
+* [ ] (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
+    * ( ) [ ] make a hint
+    * ( ) [ ] make an announcement
+    * ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint
+
+2020-10-07
+* [ ] Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)
+
+2020-09-09
+* [ ] (ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
+* [ ] (SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/master/src/inst_partners.yaml
+* [ ] (SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access
+
+2020-08-26
+**Docker hub**
+* [ ] (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
+* [ ] (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
+    * [ ] Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23
+
+**OVH**
+* [ ] Shout-out on twitter at some point. "Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM", etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?)
+
+
+* [ ] Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes
+
+* [ ] John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker
+* [ ] Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.) 
+* [ ] Jonathan will review this [PR](https://github.com/AnacondaRecipes/cudatoolkit-feedstock/pull/7)
+
+* [ ] (Kale) schedule conda working group
+* [ ] cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback
+* [ ] cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward
+* [ ] jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot
+* [ ] (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering
+    * Will try and get this scheduled in the next month.
+* [ ] (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files.
+* [ ] (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in?
+* [ ] (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves?
+* [ ] (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python's we're going to support
+* [ ] (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today
+* [ ] (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks
+* [ ] (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team)
+    * https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/954
+* [ ] (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like:
+    * who's the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure
+    * who's the POC for the various subteams?
+    * Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you're here, etc.
+    * Public or internal? I don't really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
+    * opt-in to public bios
+    * software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors
+    * some concern about "yet another place to keep stuff up to date"
+* [ ] (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge
+* [ ] (UK) Static libraries stuff
+    * [ ] Add linting hints to builds to find them
+    * [x] Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18
+    * [x] We should write docs saying we don't provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18