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| 1 | +--- |
| 2 | +tags: [meeting-notes] |
| 3 | +title: '2025-04-02' |
| 4 | +--- |
| 5 | +# conda-forge core meeting 2025-04-02 |
| 6 | + |
| 7 | +Add new agenda items under the "Your `__new__()` agenda items" heading |
| 8 | + |
| 9 | +- [Zoom link](https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09) |
| 10 | +- [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://dateful.com/convert/utc?t=5pm) |
| 11 | +- [Previous meetings](https://conda-forge.org/community/minutes/) |
| 12 | + |
| 13 | +## Attendees |
| 14 | + |
| 15 | +| Name | Initials | GitHub ID | Affiliation | |
| 16 | +| ----------------------- | -------- | --------------- | --------------------------- | |
| 17 | +| marcoesters | ME | marcoesters | Anaconda | |
| 18 | +| Dawn Wages | DW | dawnwages | Anaconda | |
| 19 | +| Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra | JRG | jaimergp | Quansight/cf | |
| 20 | +| Daniel Ching | DJC | carterbox | NVIDIA/cf | |
| 21 | +| Jannis Leidel | JL | jezdez | Anaconda/cf | |
| 22 | +| matthew becker | mrb | beckermr | cf | |
| 23 | + |
| 24 | +X people total |
| 25 | + |
| 26 | +### Standing items |
| 27 | + |
| 28 | +- [ ] |
| 29 | + |
| 30 | +### From previous meeting(s) |
| 31 | + |
| 32 | +- [ ] |
| 33 | + |
| 34 | +### Active votes |
| 35 | + |
| 36 | +- [ ] |
| 37 | + |
| 38 | +### Introductions |
| 39 | + |
| 40 | +- [x] (DW) At Anaconda for a few weeks. Previously Django, Microsoft and more. Will interface with the community a lot. Coming in as the Director of Community and Developer relations at Anaconda. |
| 41 | + |
| 42 | +### Your `__new__()` agenda items |
| 43 | + |
| 44 | +- [x] (HV) 10th anniversary [coming up](https://conda-forge.zulipchat.com/#narrow/channel/457339-core/topic/10th.20anniversary) on April 11th -- let's celebrate that visibly (even if it's only a blog post). |
| 45 | + - Jaime will draft something |
| 46 | +- [x] (HV) Closing the Numpy 2.0 migration? https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-pinning-feedstock/issues/7222 |
| 47 | + - If we do close it, post an announcement. |
| 48 | + - MRB: ~30 unsent PRs because they are awaiting parents. We could force-send them so at least they have a notice about the situation. This probably needs a little PR in the bots to by pass the 'awaiting-parents' checks. |
| 49 | +- [x] (HV) BLAS situation: MKL 2025 has [broken](https://github.com/conda-forge/intel_repack-feedstock/issues/83) something in the way it does its "single dynamic library", which we're using to make the blas-metapackage work. Tried patching things, but not successful. This is pretty painful because it pushes the solver into weird places and should be fixed ASAP IMO. Help most welcome. |
| 50 | + - (DJC) Will try to reach out to Intel folks directly through professional network |
| 51 | +- [x] (HV) How to deal with macOS lower bound going forward: https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/2467 |
| 52 | + - Favor changes in pinnings and smithy |
| 53 | + - DJC: Why not follow Apple's policies? |
| 54 | + - IF: Too aggressive; we would need to update very often and leave a lot of packages behind. Even Homebrew stays a bit behind on purpose. |
| 55 | + - DJC: We should have both a lower bound policy (e.g. 7 years old version) and a mechanism for migrating dependency trees for groups of packages which need a newer development toolchain |
| 56 | + - IF: That might be controversial given the multiple stakeholders in conda-forge. Agree it's necessary but expect long discussions. |
| 57 | +- [x] (ME) Introducing a [composite action](https://github.com/marcoesters/installer/blob/init-action/action.yaml) to create `constructor`-based installers (Miniconda, Miniforge) |
| 58 | +- [x] (JRG) Enforcing emeritus provisions |
| 59 | +- [x] (IF) Duplicate RPATHs disallowed in macOS 15.4+. Need to teach conda to remove if existing |
| 60 | + - already showing up in numpy: https://github.com/conda-forge/numpy-feedstock/issues/347 |
| 61 | + - Action item: raise issue in conda-build |
| 62 | + - Thread at: https://conda-forge.zulipchat.com/#narrow/channel/457337-general/topic/Multiple.20LD_RPATH.20in.20libgfortran |
| 63 | +- [x] (JRG) New features in [conda-metadata-app](https://conda-metadata-app.streamlit.app/): |
| 64 | + - [Linked dependency lists](https://conda-metadata-app.streamlit.app/?q=conda-forge%2Flinux-64%2Fpython-3.13.2-hf636f53_101_cp313.conda&richtable=true) (check option on the sidebar) |
| 65 | + - Report artifact size |
| 66 | + - Remember subdir choices while browsing |
| 67 | +- [x] (HV) [stretch; sort after current affairs] Discussion about rebuilding the world https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/2295 (VS 18.0 has [appeared](https://github.com/microsoft/STL/wiki/Changelog#vs-180) on the horizon; might break ABI) |
| 68 | + |
| 69 | +### Pushed to next meeting |
| 70 | + |
| 71 | +- [ ] |
| 72 | + |
| 73 | +### CFEPs |
| 74 | + |
| 75 | +- [ ] |
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