Merge pull request #1994 from conda-forge/2023-08-23-meeting-notes

Author: jakirkham

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+# conda-forge core meeting 2023-08-23
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+Add new agenda items under the `Your __new__() agenda items` heading
+
+- [Zoom link](https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09)
+- [What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://dateful.com/convert/utc?t=5pm)
+- [Last week's meeting](https://hackmd.io/#REPLACE_ME#)
+
+## Attendees
+
+| Name                    | Initials | GitHub ID        | Affiliation                 |
+| ----------------------- | -------- | ---------------  | --------------------------- |
+| Jaime Rodríguez-Guerra  | JRG      | jaimergp         | Quansight                   |
+| Dave Clements           | DPC      | tnabtaf          | Anaconda                    |
+| Filpe Fernandes         | FF       | ocefpaf          | conda-forge                 |
+| Cheng H. Lee            | CHL      | chenghlee        | Anaconda/cf                 |
+| Matthew R Becker        | MRB      | beckermr         | cf                          |
+| Marcel Bargull          | MB       | mbargull         | Bioconda/cf                 |
+| Katherine Kinnaman      | KK       | kathatherine     | Anaconda                    |
+| John Kirkham            | JK       | jakirkham        | NVIDIA/cf                   |
+|                         |          |                  |                             |
+
+17 people total
+
+### Standing items
+
+- [ ]
+
+### From previous meeting(s)
+
+- [ ]
+
+### Active votes
+
+- [ ]
+
+### Introductions
+
+- Ryan Keith (AnacondaInc)
+- James Loy (AnacondaInc)
+
+### Your `__new__()` agenda items
+
+- [x] (HV) Drop MacOS <10.13
+  - Announcement [PR](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/pull/1993); TODO [list](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1844#issuecomment-1675953297), context & discussion. Ecosystem is forcing us to move on (libcxx-trick doesn't help anymore); ≪1% users affected
+  - Blocking abseil & grpc [migration](https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-pinning-feedstock/pull/4814) already, soon also libcxx 17
+  - Do we want to formulate a more specific support policy? (10.13 is EOL for 3 years already; CPython might jump to 10.15/11.0)
+    - (CHL) Could consider following Apple's lifecycle, but be aware that may force us to drop `osx-64` before we're ready to. (Expect ~3 yrs left on Apple's support for such hardware)
+    - (JK) If we do a NEP-29 style annoucement, we should align with other projects to make sure `conda`/`conda-forge` is not the odd ecosystem out.
+  - MB: macOS 10.14 (Mojave) is the last version to support 32-bit (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208436)
+  - MB: We could point people with old Macs to https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher or the like
+  - Action items:
+    - Someone check the announcement PR to make sure we have all the technical details correct
+    - Add `__osx>=10.13` as `run_exports`  to the appropriate compilers packages <- actually a clobber file
+      - Docs: https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda-build/en/stable/resources/variants.html#partially-clobbering-recipes
+      - I think actually we want recipe_append.yaml (https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda-build/en/stable/resources/variants.html#appending-to-recipes)
+      - This will add to run, not clobber it.
+      - issue here: https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-ci-setup-feedstock/issues/260
+- [x] (HV) Scipy for py312 on win will need a fortran compiler (that's not gfortran)
+  - Switch to `meson` requires uniformity of compilers that invalidates current MSVC + gfortran approach
+  - Either flang, lfortran (not yet ready), ifx (waiting for Intel follow-up)
+  - Been working on [flang](https://github.com/conda-forge/flang-feedstock/pull/28) for half a year, could use some help
+  - This will very likely block 3.12 migration (on windows at least)
+- [x] (JRG) Miniforge and Mambaforge are now identical (both ship conda-libmamba-solver and mamba).
+  - Note: `conda` will switch to conda-libmamba-solver as default in the next release (23.9).
+- [x] (JK) CUDA 12 arch migration
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-pinning-feedstock/pull/4799
+    - Merge! Merge! Merge!
+- [x] (JK) CUDA 11.8
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1981
+    - John will open a migrator PR
+- [x] (JK) GLIBC 2.28
+    - Is alma linux a GLIBC option?
+    - MRB: WE are in a holding pattern until dust settles.
+    - CDTs: we will try and drop as many as possible for cos8
+    - issue: https://github.com/conda-forge/cdt-builds/issues/66
+- [X] (JK) Windows ARM
+    - Getting a machine is challenge.
+    - Physical machine is an option. IF we do that it goes to Isuru.  This is for debugging, not CI
+    - OK! Going to Isuru.
+- [x] (MRB) repodata patches now use yaml files - yay yaml! - i'm moving things over bit by bit, fixing bugs in the process
+- [x] (JRG) Repology.org integration
+   - https://github.com/repology/repology-updater/issues/518
+   - https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/593
+
+
+### Pushed to next meeting
+
+- [ ] (HV) [bikeshedding at the end] `-dev` vs. `-devel`
+  - came up in boost unification, current PR uses the latter based on Isuru's [rationale](https://github.com/conda-forge/boost-feedstock/pull/164#issuecomment-1681583116)
+  - matches Anaconda naming & CDTs, does not match recent CUDA feedstocks, tangentially related to distro discussion (RHEL vs. Debian). We should try to choose one.
+  - JRG: Our own data:
+    - [`-dev` suffix](https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aconda-forge%2Ffeedstock-outputs+path%3A%22-dev.json%22&type=code): 33 packages
+    - [`-devel` suffix](https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aconda-forge%2Ffeedstock-outputs+path%3A-devel.json&type=code): 10 packages
+- [ ] (JK) NumPy 2.0 planning
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1997
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-repodata-patches-feedstock/issues/516
+- [ ] (JK) Start using `conda`'s `libmamba` `solver`
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge-ci-setup-feedstock/pull/259
+    - https://github.com/conda-forge/docker-images/pull/240
+
+### CFEPs
+
+- [ ]