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**2022-03-23 link --> https://hackmd.io/CqkOlf0XQMOh23Wnmt9qTQ?edit**
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# conda-forge core meeting 2022-02-23
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[last weeks meeting](https://hackmd.io/yeTyZCnzT6Oc4XE21uW5AQ?edit)
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[What time is the meeting in my time zone](https://arewemeetingyet.com/UTC/2020-08-26/17:00/w/Conda-forge%20dev%20meeting#eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2hhY2ttZC5pby9wUk15dFVKV1FmU3NJM2xvMGlqQzJRP2VkaXQifQ==)
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Meeting info:
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* To join the video meeting, click this link: https://zoom.us/j/9138593505?pwd=SWh3dE1IK05LV01Qa0FJZ1ZpMzJLZz09
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* Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 347-384-8597 and enter this PIN: 828 997 153#
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* To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/ijv-qsvm-tvn?hs=5
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## Attendees
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| Name | Initials | GitHub ID | Affiliation |
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| ------------------ | -------- | -------------- | ------------ |
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| Matthew Becker | MRB | beckermr | cf |
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| Jaime R.Guerra | JRG | jaimergp | Quansight/cf |
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| Filipe Fernandes | FF | ocefpaf | CF |
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| Cheng H. Lee | CHL | chenghlee | Anaconda/cf |
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| Dave Clements | DPC | tnabtaf | Anaconda |
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| Jannis Leidel | JL | jezdez | Anaconda/cf |
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| Marcelo Trevisani | MDT | marcelotrevisani| CF |
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| John Kirkham | JK | jakirkham. | NVIDIA |
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| Ivan Yashchuk | IY | ivanyashchuk | Quansight |
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| Wolf Vollprecht | WV | | QuantStack |
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| Katherine Kinnaman | KK | kathatherine | Anaconda |
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| Chris Burr | CB | | |
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| Sylvain Corlay | SC | SylvainCorlay | QuantStack |
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| Isuru Fernando | IF | isuruf | CF/UIUC |
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25 people total
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## Agenda
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### Standing items
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* [ ] intros for new folks on the call
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* [ ] (FF) budget
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* current approvals?
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* Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
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* Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)
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* [ ] open votes
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* [ ] 2022 Outreachy / GSoC
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* Community accepted
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* [Project proposals](https://hackmd.io/uO6vV2V7T8eDyagZ_y7iQA#Project-2-Grayskull-and-Friends) due next Thursday/Friday March 3/4
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* In addition to project propsal also need contribution tasks
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* And Channels for potential interns to communicate with us.
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* Two projects
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* Grayskull and Friends, Jannis, and Marcelo
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* Doc, Matt and Katherine
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* questions:
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* (MRB) did we get info on how to submit and I forgot?
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* todos:
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* DPC will send submission links to teams.
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* DPC will follow up with Jannis to confirm his leadership role on the Grayskull project.
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### From previous meeting(s)
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* [ ] (JRG) cudatoolkit download/pinning discussion (deferred)
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### Your __new__() agenda items
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* [X] (Ivan/JRG) adding ROCm/HIP compiler: review of previous attempts (if any) and discussion of ways forward
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* notes
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* can get a bit of funding
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* all of work appears to be open source
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* what happened in previous attempts?
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* Isuru:
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* some repos do not have licenses
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* need patches on top of a specific LLVM version
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* https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/llvm-project
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* we cannot vendor clang because we keep one copy in env
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* [X] (WV) boa recipe format support in conda-forge
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* https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1612
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* [X] (WV) emscripten / wasm support for conda-forge
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* Existing discussion: https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/7619
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* Make it easier to add new platforms (e.g., OSS BSDs; mobile)
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* IF: start with https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1126 as a reference
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* [X] (IF) Help with setting up AWS for cirun
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* Help needed with AWS Images
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### Active votes
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### CFEPs
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* [cfep-12](https://github.com/conda-forge/cfep/pull/23) Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
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* Stalled since May 26, 2020
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* Active debate about moving to "broken" vs deleting from conda-forge channel
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* Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
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* What were the results of the vote?
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* Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded
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### TODOs
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2022-01-12
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* review Qt PR after logs are uploaded
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* Add cupython and cuquantum to don't mirror list
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* re: `std=c++14`, Wait for Kai to comment and merge the PR
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* CJ and Jaime coordinate to Let Maxiconda know that we can't use their logo
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2021-12-01
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* WV: Set up meet-and-greet call with homebrew team?
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* MRB: (repodata patches) make a cron job that runs show_diff.py and posts an issue + commit if it is non-empty
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2021-11-03
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- Self-hosting CI TODOs:
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- Change URL from drone.conda-forge.org. Proposals:
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- woodpecker.conda-forge.org
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- ci.conda-forge.org
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- Set up monitoring
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- Quantstack is setting up grafana for the mirror
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2021-10-18
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2021-09-22
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* [x] (WV): TensorFlow-GPU ready to go, just need to decide if GPU should get prio over CPU?!
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* GPU gets prio
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* (MRB) master to main move (https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1162)
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* everything done except feedstocks, releases, conda-smithy, and our github actions
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* releases is broken, opened an issue with github
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* some options for feedstocks
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* make sure to change the upload on branch key
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* [x] (MRB) make an announcement on how to update local clones (moved to the issue above)
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* [x] (MRB) make sure to update upload_on_branch (moved to the issue above)
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2020-11-18
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* [ ] (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
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* todo
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* [ ] (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
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* [ ] (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
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* [ ] (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
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* [ ] (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI
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* [x] (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
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* [ ] (MB) asking core members to move to "emeritus" status
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* [ ] TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they're interested in remaining "active" or if they want to move to emeritus
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* Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.
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2020-11-11
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* TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers
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2020-11-03
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* TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
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* [x] (FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD.
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* Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds.
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2020-10-28
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2020-10-21
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* [ ] (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
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* ( ) [ ] make a hint
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* ( ) [ ] make an announcement
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* ( ) [ ] make the hint a lint
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2020-10-07
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* [ ] Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)
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2020-09-09
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* [ ] (ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
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* [ ] (SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/master/src/inst_partners.yaml
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* [ ] (SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access
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2020-08-26
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**Docker hub**
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* [ ] (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
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* [ ] (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
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* [ ] Check in again at some point. We haven't heard back as of 2020-09-23
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**OVH**
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* [ ] Shout-out on twitter at some point. "Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM", etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?)
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* [ ] Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes
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* [ ] John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker
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* [ ] Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.)
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* [ ] Jonathan will review this [PR](https://github.com/AnacondaRecipes/cudatoolkit-feedstock/pull/7)
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* [ ] (Kale) schedule conda working group
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* [ ] cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback
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* [ ] cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward
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* [ ] jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot
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* [ ] (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering
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* Will try and get this scheduled in the next month.
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* [ ] (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files.
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* [ ] (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in?
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* [ ] (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves?
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* [ ] (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python's we're going to support
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* [ ] (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today
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* [ ] (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks
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* [ ] (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team)
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* https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/954
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* [ ] (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like:
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* who's the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure
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* who's the POC for the various subteams?
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* Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you're here, etc.
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* Public or internal? I don't really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
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* opt-in to public bios
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* software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors
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* some concern about "yet another place to keep stuff up to date"
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* [ ] (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge
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* [ ] (UK) Static libraries stuff
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* [ ] Add linting hints to builds to find them
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* [x] Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18
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* [x] We should write docs saying we don't provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18

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