conda self update may cause package conflicts #85
Description
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- I searched open reports and couldn't find a duplicate
What happened?
When running, conda self update, the plug-in will query the repository to find the latest conda without running a solver. At this moment, conda self update will try to update to conda 25.9.1, regardless of environment content. Since conda-forge has stopped publish packages for Python 3.9, running this command with Python 3.9 in the base environment will result in a package conflict.
A smoother user experience would list the latest version that satisfies at least the Python version constraints since will become an annual problem.
Conda Info
active environment : base
active env location : /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39
shell level : 1
user config file : /root/.condarc
populated config files : /root/.condarc
conda version : 25.7.0
conda-build version : not installed
python version : 3.9.23.final.0
solver : libmamba (default)
virtual packages : __archspec=1=aarch64
__conda=25.7.0=0
__glibc=2.41=0
__linux=6.10.14=0
__unix=0=0
base environment : /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39 (writable)
conda av data dir : /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39/etc/conda
conda av metadata url : None
channel URLs : https://repo.anaconda.com/pkgs/main/linux-aarch64
https://repo.anaconda.com/pkgs/main/noarch
https://repo.anaconda.com/pkgs/r/linux-aarch64
https://repo.anaconda.com/pkgs/r/noarch
package cache : /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39/pkgs
/root/.conda/pkgs
envs directories : /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39/envs
/root/.conda/envs
platform : linux-aarch64
user-agent : conda/25.7.0 requests/2.32.5 CPython/3.9.23 Linux/6.10.14-linuxkit debian/13.1 glibc/2.41 solver/libmamba conda-libmamba-solver/25.4.0 libmambapy/2.3.1
UID:GID : 0:0
netrc file : None
offline mode : FalseConda Config
==> /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39/.condarc <==
channels:
- conda-forgeConda list
# packages in environment at /root/miniconda_conda_self/envs/conda-self-py39:
#
# Name Version Build Channel
_openmp_mutex 4.5 2_gnu conda-forge
archspec 0.2.5 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
boltons 25.0.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
brotli-python 1.1.0 py39h7dbf29c_3 conda-forge
bzip2 1.0.8 h4777abc_8 conda-forge
c-ares 1.34.5 h86ecc28_0 conda-forge
ca-certificates 2025.11.12 hbd8a1cb_0 conda-forge
certifi 2025.8.3 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
cffi 1.17.1 py39hecfc5ed_0 conda-forge
charset-normalizer 3.4.3 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
colorama 0.4.6 pyhd8ed1ab_1 conda-forge
conda 25.7.0 py39h4420490_0 conda-forge
conda-libmamba-solver 25.4.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
conda-package-handling 2.4.0 pyh7900ff3_2 conda-forge
conda-package-streaming 0.12.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
conda-self 0.1.1 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
cpp-expected 1.1.0 h17cf362_1 conda-forge
distro 1.9.0 pyhd8ed1ab_1 conda-forge
fmt 11.2.0 h97e1849_0 conda-forge
frozendict 2.4.6 py39h060674a_0 conda-forge
h2 4.2.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
hpack 4.1.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
hyperframe 6.1.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
icu 75.1 hf9b3779_0 conda-forge
idna 3.10 pyhd8ed1ab_1 conda-forge
jsonpatch 1.33 pyhd8ed1ab_1 conda-forge
jsonpointer 3.0.0 py39h4420490_1 conda-forge
keyutils 1.6.3 h86ecc28_0 conda-forge
krb5 1.21.3 h50a48e9_0 conda-forge
ld_impl_linux-aarch64 2.45 hd32f0e1_0 conda-forge
libarchive 3.8.2 gpl_hd746d8a_100 conda-forge
libcurl 8.17.0 h7bfdcfb_0 conda-forge
libedit 3.1.20250104 pl5321h976ea20_0 conda-forge
libev 4.33 h31becfc_2 conda-forge
libexpat 2.7.1 hfae3067_0 conda-forge
libffi 3.5.2 hd65408f_0 conda-forge
libgcc 15.2.0 he277a41_7 conda-forge
libgcc-ng 15.2.0 he9431aa_7 conda-forge
libgomp 15.2.0 he277a41_7 conda-forge
libiconv 1.18 h90929bb_2 conda-forge
liblzma 5.8.1 h86ecc28_2 conda-forge
libmamba 2.3.1 he37af86_1 conda-forge
libmambapy 2.3.1 py39h3368ac4_1 conda-forge
libnghttp2 1.67.0 ha888d0e_0 conda-forge
libnsl 2.0.1 h86ecc28_1 conda-forge
libsolv 0.7.35 hdda61c4_0 conda-forge
libsqlite 3.51.0 h022381a_0 conda-forge
libssh2 1.11.1 h18c354c_0 conda-forge
libstdcxx 15.2.0 h3f4de04_7 conda-forge
libstdcxx-ng 15.2.0 hf1166c9_7 conda-forge
libuuid 2.41.2 h3e4203c_0 conda-forge
libxcrypt 4.4.36 h31becfc_1 conda-forge
libxml2 2.15.1 h788dabe_0 conda-forge
libxml2-16 2.15.1 h8591a01_0 conda-forge
libzlib 1.3.1 h86ecc28_2 conda-forge
lz4-c 1.10.0 h5ad3122_1 conda-forge
lzo 2.10 h80f16a2_1002 conda-forge
menuinst 2.3.1 py39h4420490_0 conda-forge
ncurses 6.5 ha32ae93_3 conda-forge
nlohmann_json 3.11.3 h0a1ffab_1 conda-forge
openssl 3.6.0 h8e36d6e_0 conda-forge
packaging 25.0 pyh29332c3_1 conda-forge
pip 25.2 pyh8b19718_0 conda-forge
platformdirs 4.3.8 pyhe01879c_0 conda-forge
pluggy 1.6.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
pybind11-abi 4 hd8ed1ab_3 conda-forge
pycosat 0.6.6 py39h060674a_2 conda-forge
pycparser 2.22 pyh29332c3_1 conda-forge
pysocks 1.7.1 pyha55dd90_7 conda-forge
python 3.9.23 h0819846_0_cpython conda-forge
python_abi 3.9 8_cp39 conda-forge
readline 8.2 h8382b9d_2 conda-forge
reproc 14.2.5.post0 h86ecc28_0 conda-forge
reproc-cpp 14.2.5.post0 h5ad3122_0 conda-forge
requests 2.32.5 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
ruamel.yaml 0.18.15 py39h0f7a62b_0 conda-forge
ruamel.yaml.clib 0.2.8 py39h060674a_1 conda-forge
setuptools 80.9.0 pyhff2d567_0 conda-forge
simdjson 3.13.0 h17cf362_0 conda-forge
tk 8.6.13 noxft_h561c983_103 conda-forge
tqdm 4.67.1 pyhd8ed1ab_1 conda-forge
tzdata 2025b h78e105d_0 conda-forge
urllib3 2.5.0 pyhd8ed1ab_0 conda-forge
wheel 0.45.1 pyhd8ed1ab_1 conda-forge
yaml-cpp 0.8.0 h5ad3122_0 conda-forge
zstandard 0.23.0 py39h0f7a62b_3 conda-forge
zstd 1.5.7 hbcf94c1_2 conda-forgeAdditional Context
Command output:
(base) root@fdc14253ee90:/conda/conda-self# conda self update
Checking updates for conda: done
Installed conda: 25.7.0
Latest conda: 25.9.1
Channels:
- conda-forge
Platform: linux-aarch64
Collecting package metadata (repodata.json): done
Solving environment: failed
LibMambaUnsatisfiableError: Encountered problems while solving:
- package conda-25.9.1-py310h4c7bcd0_0 requires python >=3.10,<3.11.0a0, but none of the providers can be installed
Could not solve for environment specs
The following packages are incompatible
├─ conda =25.9.1 * is installable with the potential options
│ ├─ conda 25.9.1 would require
│ │ └─ python >=3.10,<3.11.0a0 *, which can be installed;
│ ├─ conda 25.9.1 would require
│ │ └─ python >=3.11,<3.12.0a0 *, which can be installed;
│ ├─ conda 25.9.1 would require
│ │ └─ python >=3.12,<3.13.0a0 *, which can be installed;
│ └─ conda 25.9.1 would require
│ └─ python >=3.13,<3.14.0a0 *_cp313, which can be installed;
└─ pin on python =3.9 * is not installable because it requires
└─ python =3.9 *, which conflicts with any installable versions previously reported.
Pins seem to be involved in the conflict. Currently pinned specs:
- python=3.9