NOBODY IS ACCEPTING MY FILES #7838
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Hi @AllanOricil Thanks for the report. This is not a Lotus issue. Moving this issue to Discussions for help and troubleshooting. Closing ticket. |
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Hi @AllanOricil! There are a number of reasons why Storage Providers might not accept your files. First of all, have you got a DataCap so you can store files with the verified price? https://docs.filecoin.io/store/filecoin-plus/#using-datacap. This text might indicated that you where trying to make a storage-deal with unverified data:
Secondly, storage-providers might block clients they do not know who is, or that they do not have on their whitelist. You can reach out to a lot of the providers in the #fil-deal-market channel on Slack to troubleshoot why your deal fails.
Lastly I would like to encourage you to have a more respectful framing of your questions. Writing in all caps, and statements that can be interpreted by some as rude, might make people not wanting to answer your questions. |
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The words in CAPS are for enphasys, not to be rude. Or when I write a word in caps is because it is an acronym. like WTF. If I want to be rude writting in caps I will say bad words/phrases. |
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This really upsets me. I literally have been trying to store a single file using this tutorial and it does not work because none of the providers in the chain wants to accept files. So, what are these people doing? You MUST enforce them to accept files IF I PAY THEM WHAT THEY WANT, because I lost money with some trials and none worked.
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Yes, they will. |
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Also, could you share a Provider that would allow me to continue through this tutorial: https://lotus.filecoin.io/docs/tutorials/store-and-retrieve/#run-a-lotus-lite-node Im stuck in the Retrieval part because I can't upload a file. Also, sorry if I sound rude. It is just that I wanted to learn this and for the past 3 days I've had lots of problems. And I really get frustrated when I go through tutorials and they don't work, or when I get stuck in some part because of something I did not do. But I really did not want to sound rude. |
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I would recommend you join on Slack, it might be a bit easier to troubleshoot there (you can reach out to me there and I can help you further, DM @phi-rjan). And I would also say that you bring up a lot of valid points with regards to the UX making deals using that tutorial currently. And I have raised awareness about that. There are also easier tools then using Lotus-CLI if all you want is just storing a file. For example: https://estuary.tech. |
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I will join slack. Where can I find the link? |
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At the bottom of http://filecoin.io/ there is a link to Slack 🙂 |
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Also, can you add a filter on the Filecoin Plus providers list to remove Providers that are not considering online storage deals. "deal rejected: miner is not considering online storage deals". And throw an error in the client when we try to start a deal with such providers. |
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on a note: your deals counts as accepted as soon as the proposal is published on chain -> has both clients and storage providers signatures on it. maybe your offers are not economically feasible to storage providers? |
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your deals are too small / do not pay enough to be considered economically reasonable i think check the gas burn for publishdeals messages on chain or an explorer like filfox.info to see what the baseline costs are for publishing deals on chain for a storage provider - everything below that will cost the storage provider money --> they do not take your deals |
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Wait, Of course they can deny my Deal. I know that because some of my Deals were sending them exactly what they accept as File Size and FIL, and they denied to store it. As an End User, I don't want to keep having the Door shut in my face all the time. Maybe you should make Miners to configure the Deals with everything they are expecting. In a way that they are clear with what they want. This Deal information will then appear to the Client, for instance when I run |
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yes, if you paid for the storage service you'll get your remaining money back. miners pay hefty fees for not storing data they promised to stored - to the burn actor, not the client
yes you will have to consider that
amazon can just delete your files as well. or google, ms, ...
you have a wrong picture what filecoin is doing. filecoin itself does not store data - storage providers do at their own free will. the filecoin blockchain offers the fabric of payments, proof of storage +++ to both the data storage clients and the providers. Filecoin itself never sees the data - it only knows the data by hash. the storage operation itself is a 1:1 operation as you'd have it with centralized cloud providers. |
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Centralized Cloud Providers can't say they won't accept my files If I pay them what they asked. Here Im seeing Providers not willing to store my files even when I did pay what they wanted ( I got what they wanted from this site https://plus.fil.org/miners). Here it is not a 1:1 as for my own experience. Centralized Cloud Providers allow me to protect my files with replicas all around the world. I know i can do that with filecoin network by just asking multiple Providers to store my data. But I just don't want the Providers to not say No to me and having to spend lot of time knocking doors until one finally accepts my deal. As you pointed out, both centralized and decentralized services could lose all your data, but the risk in far higher in decentralized network as each provider would have its own way of protecting the data. So I would not say that this is a 1:1. What Im trying to say is that you must make the Trade-offs clear and real to make it work. |
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i get your concerns and the problems with user experience and i agree - my point comes from the technical perspective and the tech does not support the expectations. |
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This video https://filecoin.io/ shows that my expectations should be close (or almost equal) to what Centralized Cloud Providers do. If the Tech can't provide it to me, you can't say it can with this video. Im almost sure everybody will think the same as I did. |
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Hi @AllanOricil , thank for raising your questions and concerns. This specific tutorial you pointed out is for folks “try things out and see the flow” using lotus and we should’ve added a callout to say , “for testing, use a testnet or devnet. That being said, despite lotus implements a market today - we don’t expect it to provide the best user experience to the end users. Lotus is more to expose the interface for application developers to build an intuitive and easy to use UX for end users, which covers many pain points you mentioned: storage provider selection, data prep, replications and so on. one of the best examples in the market right now would be http://estuary.tech/, check it out! also - I think there are multiple better SP reputation and profile website that’s under development to make the SP selection experience better for clients. But for now, most direct way would be find a SP and work with them, for that you may post a request in this forum under “market” or joining #fil-deal-market in filecoin slack |
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@jennijuju could your team give me access to this estuary.tech. I would like to start playing with it. I have already asked for access in the site form. |
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The estuary team (not lotus) is providing access to useful usecases - if you applied via the form, they will triage and get back to you. |
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I am archiving this discussion as there has been no new updates from the author. |
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Latest release, or the most recent RC(release canadiate) for the upcoming release or the dev branch(master), or have an issue updating to any of these.Lotus component
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Nome of the Plus Providers are accepting my files. I tried around 15 already with no sucess. Sometimes they say 0 attoFils and then when I dispatch a deal they come back saying something like: 0.00000...2 Fils something...
And the deal fail.
Or Sometimes they say they are not accepting online deals. WTF! If they are on the network they MUST accept online deals. What are these guys doing? Adding files themselves to mine Filecoin? I don't understand how they got 100 trust if they are not accepting online deals.
Or Sometimes the deal is pending something. Why do I have to wait the provider to MANUALLY accept something if we already agreed the terms? I've been waiting for almost a day and the file is still not available to be retrieved.
If you want to make it work, you have to make things to go faster in the provider side. Otherwise what is the point? Long wait time is a huge trade-off that will make everyone go away from this.
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