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@@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ building a Haskell community. So even though my personal website is proudly
 generated by Hakyll, I met Jasper when we served together at haskell.org. So
 Jasper, can you tell us a little bit about haskell.org?
 
-_Jasper van der Jeugt_: Hi yeah, so thank you for having me first and for all. Um so haskell.org is
+_Jasper Van der Jeugt_: Hi yeah, so thank you for having me first and for all. Um so haskell.org is
 the foundation that's legally responsible I think for a lot of the stuff
 that's going on in the Haskell community. It has a board and you know there's
 um, people serve terms on it. Um I think it was originally started because
@@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ goal of Haskell Foundation is to achieve more things, and as you said, but
 maybe you can clarify, to make change under a more official organization. But
 it's a collaboration, right?
 
-_JvdJ:_	Right. And I think the goals are really largely the same for both
+_JVdJ:_	Right. And I think the goals are really largely the same for both
 organizations, like we both want to see basically increase Haskell adoption,
 make it more easier for new people to get into Haskell, and make everything
 sort of smooth run, make sure there's no large bad disagreements in the
@@ -69,7 +69,7 @@ board, existing for so long, could just have grown into this new thing and and
 why was that not done then? Why do we now have two foundations that at least by
 surface value seem to be rather similar in their goals and scope?
 
-_JvdJ:_	I think that's a great question. Um, so yeah, I think Simon Peyton Jones
+_JVdJ:_	I think that's a great question. Um, so yeah, I think Simon Peyton Jones
 together with Mathieu Boespflug from Tweag, and a few other people were, I
 think, Tim Sears as well, were the people who sort of came up with the the idea
 of the Haskell Foundation. Um, and haskell.org was really one of the first
@@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ speaking for the committee or or whatsoever.
 
 _JB:_ Sure.
 
-_JvdJ:_ I think it's feasible that in a couple of years there will be only one
+_JVdJ:_ I think it's feasible that in a couple of years there will be only one
 organization, um, that drives, because as you said they have very similar
 goals and so on.  But also on the other hand haskell.org has existed for maybe
 10, 12 years now ... No, it must have been must be way more than, I'm actually
@@ -104,27 +104,27 @@ this microservice running and it does one thing well and let's just build a
 second microservice next to it instead of just of redoing it and if it goes
 wrong, breaking the running foundation in a way.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah.
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah.
 
 _JB:_ Yeah, that makes sense.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Obviously due to, like the Haskell Foundation has a lot of potential to be
+_JVdJ:_ Obviously due to, like the Haskell Foundation has a lot of potential to be
 better, I think, if only for the fact that the haskell.org committee is just a
 couple of volunteers while Haskell Foundation is actually be able to employ
 people, right, to work on so full time, which makes a huge difference. So yeah,
 we'll see, I'm pretty excited for it, for the Haskell Foundation.
 
 _NV:_ Currently you keep, like, haskell.org keeps the Summer of Code, right?
 
-_JvdJ:_ Right. Yeah.
+_JVdJ:_ Right. Yeah.
 
 _NV:_ Which is one of the most active, let's say contributions, that it is doing.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yes.
+_JVdJ:_ Yes.
 
 _NV:_ So maybe do you want to tell us what it is, for somebody who doesn't know?
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, um, so Google Summer of Code is a program in which Google pays
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, um, so Google Summer of Code is a program in which Google pays
 students who work on open source software. Obviously there's some, you know,
 you need to have some kind of filter, right? You can't just have students apply
 directly to Google, because then Google has to sift through millions of
@@ -158,7 +158,7 @@ it, because Styish Haskell is also pretty widely used now.
 
 _JB:_ What what is Stylish Haskell? Just for those who don't know?
 
-_JvdJ:_ So Stylish Haskell is a code formatter that will take a Haskell program and
+_JVdJ:_ So Stylish Haskell is a code formatter that will take a Haskell program and
 reformat it. So it differs from other formatters like Ormolu or maybe most
 famously goformat, gofmt from golang, which I think is the formatter that kind
 of introduced the idea that you just run your code through a tool, and
@@ -176,7 +176,7 @@ of things.
 
 _NV:_ Is it like HLint?
 
-_JvdJ:_ Um, no. So HLint really looks at the meaning of your program, where Stylish
+_JVdJ:_ Um, no. So HLint really looks at the meaning of your program, where Stylish
 Haskell really just looks at the syntax. And for example, it will make sure,
 you know, if you have a Haskell program with a lot of imports. It will
 sort of align them all nicely with the things that you're importing on
@@ -185,7 +185,7 @@ and, yeah, bunch of improvements like that.
 
 _JB:_ Okay, so you were talking about the GSOC project for Stylish Haskell.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Right. Yeah, okay, to get back. Yeah, so that was a lot of fun. But ah, but
+_JVdJ:_ Right. Yeah, okay, to get back. Yeah, so that was a lot of fun. But ah, but
 this year unfortunately I didn't really have too much time to mentor someone
 myself, so I was just taking care of the admin work, um, but I'm still pretty
 happy actually about GSOC, especially because it was the way I sort of
@@ -198,13 +198,13 @@ Meier and Johan Tibell ...
 
 _NV:_ So these were your mentors.
 
-_JvdJ:_ These were my mentors, yeah. And I think that project is really where I
+_JVdJ:_ These were my mentors, yeah. And I think that project is really where I
 learned Haskell. So even though I was writing Haskell before, that's a point
 where I really learned Haskell.
 
 _NV:_ This blaze-html, what is that?
 
-_JvdJ:_ So blaze-html is an HTML combinator library. So it's a Haskell library that
+_JVdJ:_ So blaze-html is an HTML combinator library. So it's a Haskell library that
 gives you a number of functions like for example ... and basically these
 functions map exactly to HTML elements. So for example, if you want to write a
 paragraph in HTML you would use a "p" tag. And so blaze-html maps that to a "p"
@@ -227,7 +227,7 @@ the details of that current implementation, how it is different from your
 approach back then, and what prevented that GSOC approach back then to
 actually land in the main line of text.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, um, that's indeed a pretty funny story. So after I did the blaze-html
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, um, that's indeed a pretty funny story. So after I did the blaze-html
 project for my first Google Summer of Code, one of the other things that also
 came out of that was this library called blaze-builder, which I ... which was
 more like Simon Meier's thing than it was my thing. He put a lot of effort into
@@ -261,7 +261,7 @@ answer for it. And so the main advantage ...
 _NV:_ Wait, what do you mean when you say better? Is it memory efficient, or
 runtime, or what is the criteria?
 
-_JvdJ:_	Well, that's also the hard question, right? What is the criteria? So like
+_JVdJ:_	Well, that's also the hard question, right? What is the criteria? So like
 it could be either like it's just faster to process ... For example, UTF-16 is
 faster to process in general, because for every character you process, there's
 only going to be two cases, right? It's either two wide or four wide. On the
@@ -312,7 +312,7 @@ better choice for most of our users, or is there anything else that has changed
 an ecosystem of text or the mentality of Haskell developers to make it possible
 now?
 
-_JvdJ:_	I think what's changed is that, and I'm not really sure, because I was a
+_JVdJ:_	I think what's changed is that, and I'm not really sure, because I was a
 student at the time, of course, I didn't really know how the internet worked
 and how companies work and that that kind of thing ... And it's only ten
 years ago, so I think back then UTF-8 was already becoming sort of ubiquitous
@@ -332,7 +332,7 @@ story.
 
 _JB:_ Yeah I think that makes sense.
 
-_JvdJ:_ And obviously the, I think, Haskell Foundation is also a bit directed, of
+_JVdJ:_ And obviously the, I think, Haskell Foundation is also a bit directed, of
 course, by what the industry wants. And think especially for, yeah, in the
 industry it makes just sense to use UTF-8 at this point.
 
@@ -341,12 +341,12 @@ plenty of that related to your work with Haskell as well. In particular very
 recently you've organized the ICFP Programming Contest. So how do you get to do
 that?
 
-_JvdJ:_	That's an interesting question. I'm not really sure how I got to do that.
+_JVdJ:_	That's an interesting question. I'm not really sure how I got to do that.
 Um ...
 
 _NV:_ Would you do it again?
 
-_JvdJ:_ So first of all, no I would never do this again. It's been one of the best
+_JVdJ:_ So first of all, no I would never do this again. It's been one of the best
 experiences, sort of programming-related, I have had, just because you
 really um, okay so maybe we need to put a little bit more more context
 here. So the ICFP contest is a programming contest that's held, so it's
@@ -378,7 +378,7 @@ a TV game show. So the real world application is not super important.
 
 _NV:_ Which TV show?
 
-_JvdJ:_ Right, so this year the problem was based on this Japanese TV game show
+_JVdJ:_ Right, so this year the problem was based on this Japanese TV game show
 where you're, so you're standing next to a pool and there's this giant
 styrofoam wall coming towards you with a hole cut out, and the hole would
 but be like some strange shape. Obviously for ICFP Programming Contest we
@@ -397,7 +397,7 @@ right? Because the edges are rigid so you can't really manipulate it or ...
 
 _NV:_ All of them are connected.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, because all of them are connected. But if you get a square, yeah, if
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, because all of them are connected. But if you get a square, yeah, if
 you get a square or rectangle there's more you can do with it, right? Because
 you can kind of squeeze it together or make it longer and then
 especially if you have a bunch of squares and triangles and they're all
@@ -417,7 +417,7 @@ similar to the hole is better.
 _NV:_ And so I have two questions. One is: can somebody play the game now? Is it
 still up?
 
-_JvdJ:_	Yeah, yeah, so we, I mean, the PDF is still out there with the problem
+_JVdJ:_	Yeah, yeah, so we, I mean, the PDF is still out there with the problem
 description and we also still have the website available where you can submit
 solutions and so on, so you can still try it out and also all of our automated
 searches and tools like basically everything is open source now. But of course
@@ -426,11 +426,11 @@ a lot of the participants have also open sourced their code.
 _NV:_ Okay. So my other question is: It sounds like all this has a lot of
 graphics.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah.
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah.
 
 _NV:_ Did you develop all this in Haskell?
 
-_JvdJ:_ Um, we did ... the, okay, to take small step back, I think one of the
+_JVdJ:_ Um, we did ... the, okay, to take small step back, I think one of the
 constraints we really had when we were coming up with the problem is that
 graphical is good. Likw it's very nice and draws people in if you can
 visualize problems, and obviously I was explaining the problem to you just now
@@ -454,7 +454,7 @@ quite easy to generate as well from Haskell and you could ...
 _JB:_ I've heard that there's a blaze-based library for generating that. Maybe
 you you knew about that already ...
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, there is. I'm not, I'm actually not ... Like, I know who did it, but
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, there is. I'm not, I'm actually not ... Like, I know who did it, but
 II'm not the author of that, actually, and we ended up making a small own
 library actually for the contest to deal with SVGs just because we wanted to do
 some sort of animations and so on. But yeah, please don't use this library, of
@@ -465,7 +465,7 @@ _NV:_ And okay, so you put all these efforts on Haskell, you developed your own
 language, your own library and you have a most probably correct game
 definition with graphics. And who won the contest?
 
-_JvdJ:_ So the contest was won by RGB Team. Ah, they're a team of three programmers
+_JVdJ:_ So the contest was won by RGB Team. Ah, they're a team of three programmers
 from Belarus, I think, and, I think one of them is quite well known in the
 competitive programming community.  It was quite ... so one of the interesting
 things about the contest is that people were, rather than relying on fully
@@ -484,7 +484,7 @@ expect that people would go so far with this.
 
 _NV:_ C++ won the context as usual, no?
 
-_JvdJ:_	Um, so yeah, the winners used C++ but I think the most interesting
+_JVdJ:_	Um, so yeah, the winners used C++ but I think the most interesting
 observation is that all 3 Okay yeah.
 
 _NV:_ ICFP contest is generated by ICFP, which is this Haskell-friendly
@@ -493,7 +493,7 @@ problems that are designed to be solved by functional programming are still
 better solved by C++, so is it the programmer or is it the language, and
 how much at the end the language can improve the solution?
 
-_JvdJ:_ That's a good question. So I think, first I don't think the problems are
+_JVdJ:_ That's a good question. So I think, first I don't think the problems are
 designed to be better solvable with functional languages. Um, usually
 there's some sort of functional programming references or components in
 there. But that's really just because the people who organize it traditionally
@@ -507,7 +507,7 @@ after three days. Some things are helpful, I think.
 _NV:_	Is that important for the corner cases which is what most of this contest
 try to ...
 
-_JvdJ:_	Yeah, so I think in in our context there were a lot of corner cases and
+_JVdJ:_	Yeah, so I think in in our context there were a lot of corner cases and
 edge cases especially with regards to geometry. So I think, I mean obviously
 I'm speaking for myself, doing it in Haskell is much more enjoyable. I think in
 general, if you're doing this sort of contest, just using anything with a type
@@ -523,11 +523,11 @@ competitive programming language of the future.
 
 _NV:_ In Rust. No C++ anymore.
 
-_JvdJ:_ No, I think the winners still used C++.
+_JVdJ:_ No, I think the winners still used C++.
 
 _NV:_ As always.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Although I'm not sure which parts were in C++ and which ones were in Rust.
+_JVdJ:_ Although I'm not sure which parts were in C++ and which ones were in Rust.
 So it's also very common for in these programming contests to use multiple
 languages. I don't really know why that is, I suspect you're just with
 three or four people in a team just trying to get stuff done really as
@@ -542,7 +542,7 @@ briefly just pitching the game so that the listeners will after this
 podcast go to your website and play these games and enjoy them. So what are
 these games?
 
-_JvdJ:_ So like many people, I think, I originally got interested in computer
+_JVdJ:_ So like many people, I think, I originally got interested in computer
 programming because of game programming, or like you, you're a teenager, you
 play video games, you're sort of creative like ah I want to try making some
 video games. That's also one of the reasons C++ was my first language, I think,
@@ -607,15 +607,15 @@ programming contest.
 
 _JB:_	Because it's too simple, or ...?
 
-_JvdJ:_ Um, I don't think it's too simple. I think the problem is if you're working
+_JVdJ:_ Um, I don't think it's too simple. I think the problem is if you're working
 with this hyperbolic geometry, it has a really high barrier to entry, of
 entry to just sort of you know, put down all the sort of primitive
 functions and so on you're going to use. Also writing a visualizer becomes very
 hard. So first of all, there's this really high barrier of entry. Second ...
 
 _JB:_	Because it's too mathy in a way ...
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, I think it's too mathy in a way.  And secondly, then, once you sort
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, I think it's too mathy in a way.  And secondly, then, once you sort
 of get past that hurdle, I think it would be in most problems you would just
 kind of represent the grid of tiles as a graph, you know, where you have a
 node and then you have neighboring nodes representing the neighbors of the
@@ -640,7 +640,7 @@ _NV:_ So I still find it amazing that you use Haskell to develop games and to
 make them run in your browser. So I want to ask as somebody who doesn't know
 anything on how to build all this stuff in Haskell, how can i start?
 
-_JvdJ:_ So well, this is actually, these two games are actually written in
+_JVdJ:_ So well, this is actually, these two games are actually written in
 PureScript, not in Haskell, and before that I also tried to do some games in
 Elm as well and I also tried Haskell in the browser. Yeah, these three are
 really the the ones I've tried: PureScript, Haskell, Elm. I would, I think
@@ -668,12 +668,12 @@ one.
 
 _NV:_ You support which? At which side are you?
 
-_JvdJ:_	Oh I'm a lazy person both in terms of my life and programming language
+_JVdJ:_	Oh I'm a lazy person both in terms of my life and programming language
 preferences.
 
 _NV:_ Makes sense.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, composability by default is I think the way to go. But yeah, well, I
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, composability by default is I think the way to go. But yeah, well, I
 ran into this a couple of times in PureScript. When for example, something
 would be just an infinite recursion error because the language is strict,
 right? And I'm used to doing lazy things. But overall I think it's, PureScript
@@ -691,7 +691,7 @@ two hour forty minutes playthrough by some Twitch gamer on Youtube so if people
 want to um, see it but they're too lazy to play themselves, they can actually
 sit there for two hours and watch somebody else do it. Which is impressive.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah I think it's actually, I saw the video as well and I think it's very
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah I think it's actually, I saw the video as well and I think it's very
 impressive, like the time he took to go through the puzzles. Because of, I mean
 doing a puzzle game is quite fun, especially if you're designing it with more
 than one person, because you can both kind of create puzzles, right, and
@@ -703,7 +703,7 @@ closing question. So yeah, I would like to ask what you think it's missing
 maybe to be able to use only Haskell to develop these fancy games and
 where do you see Haskell going.
 
-_JvdJ:_	That's a very open-ended question. So obviously I do more than programming
+_JVdJ:_	That's a very open-ended question. So obviously I do more than programming
 games, I also do some open source projects, and what I need for that is very
 different than what I need for games. I don't feel like I need a lot from
 Haskell. I'm a very I think sort of individualistic person, right? In terms of,
@@ -727,7 +727,7 @@ ways to do if-else in Haskell, right? But I ended up using it a lot now and, so
 
 _NV:_ And this is a language extension.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, this is a language extension. So I would say I'm super happy with
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, this is a language extension. So I would say I'm super happy with
 Haskell as it is.  I think you need to be, um, obviously if you start using
 Haskell, you need to be a bit aware of which parts you want to use and which
 parts you don't want to use. I would just say start with what you need and then
@@ -746,8 +746,8 @@ Haskell, because we're building on it, and if that doesn't, that starts not to
 work, then we would have a big problem. So, yeah I think, thanks a lot for
 working well for Haskell at this point.
 
-_JvdJ:_ Yeah, thanks.
+_JVdJ:_ Yeah, thanks.
 
 _NV:_ Yeah, thank you very much and thank you for this podcast.
 
-_JvdJ:_	Thanks, and nice talking to you.
+_JVdJ:_	Thanks, and nice talking to you.