olin

[Daenyth]

olin

sona pu

VERB to love, have compassion for, respect, show affection to

sona Linku pi toki Inli

love, have compassion for, respect, show affection to

sona Linku pi toki pona

olin li pilin ni: ijo li suli a tawa ijo ante li pana e pilin pona wawa

sona ku

loving⁵, love⁵, romance⁴, romantic³, compassion³, attraction², intimate², passion², beloved², loyalty², loyal¹, faithful¹, dear¹, mercy¹, darling¹, passionate¹, care¹, appreciation¹, crush¹, respect¹

sona sin

[mi2ebi]

love/respect can also be nouns la i suggest moving those to the front maybe

[Daenyth]

We should address two things specifically I think:

• misconception 1: olin is one-to-one for english "love", leading new learners to use it as "like a lot"
• misconception 2: olin is only for romantic love, when that's only one part of it

[mi2ebi]

agreed, though i can't yet think of ways to clarify those

[Daenyth]

Aside from the commentary, which we can look at later, we can help by picking specific examples that don't make much sense when you have those misconceptions

[lipamanka]

hm what if we removed "love?" Is there a downside to that, and is it perhaps worth it to do it anyway?

[janPensa]

I went to some thesaurus websites to find some words to throw into the group, hoping they give someone useful ideas.

Strongly olin-related words (IMO):

cherish, hold dear, affection, care for, love

Others I feel are less directly related, but still worth mentioning in the discussion:

doting, nurture, fondness*, closeness, devotion, fidelity, admire, respect, revere, adore, tenderness, gentleness, attachment, romantic, intimate, passion

(* note: fondness can also just mean liking something)

[Daenyth]

I could see removing love and replacing with something like "affection" maybe. But I think that love is probably one of the main ways people use the word, so it seems a bit awkward to remove

[wasokeli]

i think "cherish" works as a good replacement for "love"

[wasokeli]

affection, to cherish, respect, hold dear

[Daenyth]

affection, respect, camaraderie, deep emotional bond; intimate, romantic, fraternal, familial

[wasokeli]

i'm not sure about camaraderie, fraternal, familial
i feel like i can feel camaraderie with like a coworker, in a way that i wouldn't describe as olin
but if other people like it then it's probably good
and then the family words... family can involve olin but it's by no means a rule

[Daenyth]

If we leave those out then it becomes misleading because the words skew toward people interpreting it as "romance only", which isn't really right