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Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 02 June 2025 1300 UTC
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:date: 2025-06-02 11:17:04
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:modified: 2025-06-02 11:17:04
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:authors: Ankur
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:category: Community
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:tags: meeting, IRC, Matrix, Element
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:slug: next-open-neurofedora-meeting-02-June-2025-1300-utc
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:summary: The next open NeuroFedora meeting is on 02 June 2025 at 1300 UTC. Please read the post for the agenda and information on how to attend the meeting.
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:alt: Photo by William White on Unsplash
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Photo by `William White <https://unsplash.com/@wrwhite3?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText>`__ on `Unsplash <https://unsplash.com/s/photos/community?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText>`__.
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Please join us at the next regular Open NeuroFedora team meeting on Monday 02 June 2025 at 1300 UTC.
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The meeting is a public meeting, and open for everyone to attend.
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You can join us in the `Fedora meeting channel on chat.fedoraproject.org (our Matrix instance) <https://matrix.to/#/#meeting:fedoraproject.org>`__.
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Note that you can also access this channel from other Matrix home severs, so you do not have to create a Fedora account just to attend the meeting.
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You can use `this link <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Open+NeuroFedora+Meeting&iso=20250602T13&p1=1440&ah=1>`__ to convert the meeting time to your local time.
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Or, you can also use this command in the terminal:
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$ date -d 'Monday, June 02, 2025 13:00 UTC'
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The meeting will be chaired by `@ankursinha <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha>`__.
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The agenda for the meeting is:
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- New introductions and roll call.
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- `Tasks from last meeting <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/latest/neurofedora>`__.
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- `Open Pagure tickets <https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting>`__.
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- `Package health check <https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig>`__.
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- `Open package reviews check <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro>`__.
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- `CompNeuro lab compose status check for Fedora 41/rawhide <https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691>`__.
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- Neuroscience query of the week
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- Next meeting day, and chair.
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- Open floor.
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We hope to see you there!
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Packaging changes at NeuroFedora
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:date: 2025-08-02 14:02:06
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:authors: Ankur
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:category: News
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:tags: Computational Modelling, Computational Neuroscience, Documentation, Fedora Lab, Neuroscience, FOSS, Fedora
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:slug: packaging-changes-at-neurofedora
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:summary: The NeuroFedora_ team has decided to make a couple of changes to the artefacts that we produce and maintain. Please read the post for details.
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The NeuroFedora_ team has decided to make a couple of changes to the artefacts that we produce and maintain:
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- The Comp Neuro Lab ISO image has been dropped.
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- We are moving away from packaging Python software that is easily installable from PyPi_ into rpms for the Fedora repositories to testing it out on Fedora.
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Over the years that the NeuroFedora_ team has been maintaining neuroscience rpm packages for the Fedora repositories, we have amassed a rather large number, `almost ~500 packages <https://src.fedoraproject.org/group/neuro-sig>`__.
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That is great, and we are extremely pleased with our coverage of the neuroscience software ecosystem.
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However, given that the team is composed of a few volunteers who can only dedicate limited amounts of their time to maintaining packages, we were beginning to find that we were unable to keep up with the increasing workload.
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Further, we realised that the use case for including all neuroscience software in Fedora was no longer clear---was it really required for us to package all of it for users?
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An example case is the Python ecosystem.
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Usually, users/researchers/developers tend to install Python software directly from PyPi_ rather than relying on system packages that we provide.
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The suggested use of virtual environments to isolate projects and their dependencies also requires the use of software directly from PyPi_, rather than using our system packages.
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Therefore, for software that can be installed directly, we argue that it is less important that we package them.
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Instead, it is more useful to our user base if we thoroughly test that this set of software can be properly installed and used on Fedora---on all the different versions of Python that a Fedora release supports.
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So, a new guideline that we now follow is:
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- prioritise packaging software that cannot be easily installed from upstream forges (such as PyPi_)
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Following this, we have made a start on the Python packages that we maintain:
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- we made a list of software that is easily installable from PyPi_
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- we began dropping them from Fedora, and instead testing their usage from PyPi_
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The testing involves:
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- checking that the software and its extras can be successfully installed on Fedora using `pip`
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- checking that the modules that the software include can be successfully imported
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We `automate these tests using PyTest <https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/blob/main/f/python-package-usage-check>`__, and a daily report is published on `fedorapeople.org here <https://ankursinha.fedorapeople.org/neurofedora/package-status/>`__.
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Our `documentation <https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/neurofedora/>`__ has also been updated to reflect this change.
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We now include two tables on each page.
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One table provides information about the software that can be installed from PyPi_, and so is not included in rpm form in Fedora.
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The other provides information about the software that continues to be included in Fedora, because it cannot be easily installed from PyPi_ directly.
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We will continue reporting issues to upstream developers as we have done before.
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The difference now is that we work directly with what they publish, rather than our rpm packaged versions of what they publish.
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You can follow this discussion and progress `here <https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/580>`__.
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Please refer to the lists in the documentation for the up to date list of packages we include/test.
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.. _NeuroFedora: https://neuro.fedoraproject.org
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.. _PyPi: https://pypi.org

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