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Branding update #36
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A new branding (design) change would be amazing. Would love to see this happen. ❤️ |
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make the logo as sexy as possible like elementary os... also the boot splash screen... it has to be grate... we all see that screen for hours in a year... also some theming on grub... the joy of mint should start with grub... 🗡️ please... move from green... it is mint, but green is not that pleasant to the eye |
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What exactly are you looking to change? Logo? Theme? Wallpapers? And what ideas do you have in mind exactly? |
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@ApexSport yes, it can. In fact, we are preparing a branding concept that we will announce soon and it will have some "easter eggs" regarding Mint Mobile vision |
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I think there should be a mobile version of Linux Mint. Just like Ubuntu having a mobile version called Ubuntu Touch, You guys should make a mobile version called LMSPE (Linux Mint Smart Phone Edition) Here are my suggest list... 1. Place the UI that shows the Clock, Battery, Volume, Update Manager, Crash Reports, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth In the Right side of the corner (to prevent having to place the UI differently On other devices). |
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I forgot to mention something which im not sure if it's possible or legal, But can add a implement a feature that allows you to play games that are not available in your country (For example, Drift Spirits is a game i found like years ago and when search it in the app store it was nowhere to be seen so i thought it was android exclusive until yesterday when i found out it's an Japan exclusive) So yea it can useful. |
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Not sure why a Mint mobile version is even really being included in this. It's a desktop OS and always has been. There has never been and are not any plans for a mobile version to the best of my knowledge. |
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Oh ok. |
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Pinged @clefebvre, let's see what he thinks. |
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Good luck with this, Egor. You seem to have a well-put together argument here (and I recently met someone who really sold Linux to me :) |
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I think Linux Mint, the best OS in the world, does not deserve a template for their website design! |
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Amen |
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think of all things what I like the most about the current Mint branding is their website, haven't seen a distro with a better one yet, this doesn't mean it can't be improved but personally don't see the need for a radical change. Icons , themes, colors, typography, that's where I see an important contribution could be made. I'm a bit concerned about the recent changes to the mint themes and maybe some professional aid could help to achieve better implementations Maybe even coming up with a HIG website like GNOME has to help developers comply with the design patterns and goals of the Linux Mint project |
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See Elementary OS, Zorin, those are much better as they correctly showcase the features. The current website has ONE screenshot on the homepage. This is too little. |
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I can't agree on the point of the web design. While I can understand your point content-wise (including the copy and even content flow), I don't think that design-wise it's good: it's way too heavy text-to-visuals, weak in terms of positioning (not even to mention the presentation) and let's face it - it's very old-looking. I fully agree that among many distros it's not the worst website and that a Linux user, who knows what to expect from a distro like Mint might be ok with that, but imagine what an absolute newbie would feel with this website, what message they would get from it and what type of UI they would be expecting to see in the product before even trying the distro. With all that said, a single store page of majority of the mobile apps right now do a better job at presenting and giving a product feel that the current main page. |
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We really need more screenshots. A carousel at the top, and more screenshots showcasing the features next to them. Why tell me about GIMP, Inkscape, LibreOffice and others I don't know of when you can show me? |
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@Zmaznevegor Can you show us some of your previous work? |
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You can find our studio's portfolio here: https://klad.design/portfolio2023.pdf |
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While I'm not amazed by anything there (just not my taste), it indeed shows that you are good. Can't wait to see what Clem says. |
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It is not your (or mine) style, but they're still talented. |
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Nice to hear your perspective even though it seem to be a poor judgement at the very least cause there was not a single stock photo used with fully custom 3Ds. In any case, "to each their own" and I don't expect to get constructive criticism from every community member. I think that our experience, work and awards speak for itself. |
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@Zmaznevegor Tbh, it was only in september 21 that the website had a revamp https://blog.linuxmint.com/?m=202110 btw, I really like your portfolio, it's certainly eye catching. |
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Good point ngl. But if we're going for a brand facelift, we'll eventually need to refresh the website to match the stylistics. Like I've said before, the current site is great in terms of content, but visually it also gives the 'old-school corporate' vibe that might contradict with distro's beginner-friendliness aspect for many users. As for the timeline, if we green light the branding update anytime soon, the earliest we can probably start working on the website would be about 3-4 months later. After that, we'd still need about 1-2 months to get all the Figma prototypes in place for the website revamp. So, we're looking at January 2024, at the earliest, to have the website design ready. If markup would be the core issue, I believe that I will be able to involve some of the front-end devs that worked with us on the previous projects. Also huge thanks for the kind words in regard to the portfolio ❤️ |
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The current site isn't great in terms of content! There's literally one screenshot. |
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I think Mint-Y's application icons need to change new style. Mint-Y also revamped at 21.1 with Papirus elements. But, Application icons still Moka. So, I redesigned some icons for Mint-Y. Is it good?
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I agree that icons need an update. At the same time, I believe that icons and any extra materials should be changed once the branding is updated to maintain visual and brand coherency among all the visual elements. But in any case I personally like your take on icons. |
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Just change the Nemo icon to not be just a folder. |
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While it's great to see this offer (I, for one, like the portfolio, even though I might understand how a design language so close to Windows's Fluent might not be others' cup of tea), the Mint website itself has been redesigned very recently and I don't expect a change to be accepted very soon. Themes are also being incrementally updated (e.g check out the release notes for Vera and Victoria, sections "Look and feel") and I assume the devs are quite invested in the bottom-up process as it is now. Victoria will add (experimental) support for blur/bump maps in themes which would give a lot more freedom to design looks like the ones in your portfolio. Other than that, I'm not sure what will come next. |
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My apologies for the rough comparison :) I do see why it was a bit reductive of me to mention Windows Fluent. My intention was to present the bigger picture and show some information about where the Mint design process is now (since I noticed others are mentioning hyperspecific fixes they would want to see, which, while good to take into account, might derail the discussion & lead to bikeshedding). Of course, I would like to see you work on a new, unified design. The issue is that I half-expect the devs/decision makers will make the sunken cost fallacy and just keep doing things the way they are doing them. |
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I want to keep customisation. My desktop should be mine. I'm not a fan of this 3D render, blurred, neumorphist look. Remember you weren't doing a design for an entire OS before. Deepin has a similar look your portfolio. However, once you install a 3rd party app, that magic goes away. |
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I'm not sure why you believe customization is at risk of going away, or why you chose to reply to this comment in particular. But thank you for giving your (personal) preference, I guess. |
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Because Figma prototypes may be ok for web or Android app design, not for Linux though.
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While this is already going off-topic and I feel that you're not exactly replying to the comments above, it's still not quite clear to me how some designers using Figma to deliver some artifacts would impact your ability to customize your DE. Just go into the theme picker and choose another theme. The designs also affect the website, forum, blog, and community website, so yes, there would be web design involved. And who said they would have to use Figma? Egor literally mentioned an (open source) alternative in his reply and there is no decision made yet on that either way. Not sure why you're getting so worked up on that. |
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I'm concerned about the inconsistent corners in Mint. Apps has rounded corners on the top But on the bottom... There's no rounded corners for some reason 🤷♀️ App menu and notifications have rounded corners, but it's much smaller than the app's top corners. |
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That is something specific to the Mint-Y GTK theme. I agree with you, about the corners. In fact, I am concerned about too many things in Mint-Y. I won't list here all the things I don't like in Mint-Y. I am thinking about creating my own fork of the Materia theme instead. That's for later, one day, maybe. Thanks to @Secret-chest for pointing me into that direction. EDIT: Yes, I know, there are some "bad corners" in the Materia theme too. That's why I am thinking of creating my own fork... |
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I'd like to collaborate @SebastJava. I like the style of Materia too. About the corners, the bottom ones aren't rounded so they don't cut window content. Sure, they might look "ugly" by themselves, but imagine a cropped scrollbar... |
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That's a great comment! I also mention a lot of the theme's inconsistencies (don't get me started on the colour inconsistencies) and a lot of room for UI improvement in general, but (and this is just pure imo from the perspective of the design studio) I feel that the great majority of such issues comes from lack of open design materials. I know that themes have repos, but it doesn't help for the UI designers - they need prototypes with the maintained UI libraries - this is the only way we can engage the designers in work and ensure that themes and UI elements are consistent. This is actually one of the things that we wanted to implement with the whole rebranding initiative: systematize all the design materials (including the creation of the needed prototypes and Figma/Penpot UI libs), so it would be easier to engage designers in the processes and to see/track the changes before they get implemented. I am still confused about how the user testing and community engagement are done during the UI design without the interactive prototypes (if you know where they are, please share a link, I'd be more than grateful) and without design review processes before it gets implemented. In the ideal world, I see the following things to be done (and our team is ready to help to do this):
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This is not how it works. We're not designing Electron, or mobile apps. We're designing GTK. |
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Parallel work, related: Completely revised and re-edited design for the forums.linuxmint.com |
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Love this logo! |
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I very much appreciate that you've put time into the Lm design. We need it. However, the problem is that distro restyling is very hard, and the Lm apps need to support themes. The design must be constrained by GTK CSS. |
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I really like your idea of a new Mint logo. One thing itching me however, is your leaf is missing a stem on the bottom side. A leaf with double leaf tips looks odd. OK, the diagonal line could symbolize a stem, still, a normal leaf doesn't have 2 leaf tips. |
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That's the purpose of a logo, to be stylised. Adding a stem would complicate it. |
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wow long thread So I am left with a washed out cinnamon , KDE that doesn't look good at all(the themes break it), and a usable but very grey desktop (gnome). All themes are inconsistent and sometimes unusable like that popular neon purple pink theme for gnome and kde, right now I have been looking for better things but no avail changing the os is not what i want (apparently most people in the Linux community like that) The design upgrade is true need to make the Linux mint ecosystem grow its user base and trust me it will. Also a design upgrade on the software store is needed, all apps looked washed out and the spacing is odd |
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@Zmaznevegor would you and your team still be willing to work on this if it got devs attention back? |
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Ofc |
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@Secret-chest Ironically I made an almost identical logo today without even seeing yours. Just gonna share it here:
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I can also add a very quick animation I did with the base Mint logo with Davinci Resolve. Mint.Logo.Animation.mp4 |
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I guess, most users don't care about a new branding or theming, because such topics are not common, public discussions. Apple or Microsoft decide by themselves what's good or bad for their OS and don't care if end-users like our dislike their branding. Now, since the request of this thread is unique, the response on such a proposal makes users wonder. Everyone has a different level of idea and understanding about branding, so the answers will be all other than coherent The initiative to create a new branding is awesome and should be accepted with open arms. A lot would also happen during the development phases, so I'd not start to criticize any generous and passionate offers this early so to undermine any genuine interest to innovate Mint. I hope this initiative can find much more acclaim. |
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Cinnamon only exists today because GNOME 3 went through a complete UI redesign, and LM wanted to stay traditional. That's the space LM occupies among Linux distros: classic, traditional, consistent, familiar, predictable and usable. Slight improvements here and there are welcome, but a complete redesign of Cinnamon would disappoint me. I feel like it goes against LM's philosophy. It goes against the reason why Cinnamon exists in the first place. That being said, I don't like LM's logo. It reminds me of a teenager hand gesture, something like 🤟. I love Cinnamon's logo, though. |
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I'm using Mint (since Gnome 2) primarily because I want the design philosophy of things being where I have grown old using them. That having been said I do think that Mint design, e.g. icons, colour, etc., could be made more modern, at least as options. Grateful for the work done by the original OP and his/her offer of help, although I do not much like the proposal, particularly the logo. Mint needs any help it can get and perhaps the OP will produce a theme for us to use. |
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I first started with Linux and LM in 2019. I had two issue with LM Cinnamon back then. One was that it was old and ugly design out of the box. I did reinstall LM at the beginning of the year, and some other distros (Zorin OS, Ubuntu), since I was not happy with the design of Cinnamon. At the very end it drove me back to LM, since it is a very good distro. But the design sucks. I did some modifications, different theme, different icon, panel modifications, different start menu. I also tried to change the boot logo with the cinnamon symbolic, but I failed. Anyhow, I wish LM would come out of the box a bit nicer, a bit more polish, a bit more modern. If it would be fancy out of the box, I would install it to my grandmas PC too. Okay lol, let's be honest, at least I would install it on my father's and friends PC if it would come a bit more fancy out of the box. All this customizing is too much to set it up on multiple PCs, and even worse. If the next big update rolls out their might several crushes on all the PCs where I did change the boot logo and stuff. I don't want that mesh, so that's why I can not recommend LM to any of my friends or family. I really appreciate ever step like this to push cinnamon into 21st century. I am really suprised that quite some people here on github like the actual design. Maybe it would be a good idea to be able to set up the design with the start screen after installation. Choose the legacy design or the modern design... Other than that, a GNOME or KDE spin off might be an idea... |
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Am pretty sure by mordern he means trends , Linux mint has the 2017 2018 behaus style of simplification with washed out icons. What he wants is one of the newer trends like the glasmorphism on app , Microsoft materials center fluent UI or the other trends |
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I mean some modern design, like that. Doesn't need this specific. There could be some design draft and the community could vote for it. Of cause we are and we always will follow some trends. But where is the point? There could be a fresh design each 2 years.
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dumb question, could you please tell me how I can replicate that? |
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Here’s a link to a Reddit post from someone else who installed that setup. My own desktop looks different. I’m a beginner—I just recently switched to Linux Mint. On other operating systems, I usually stick with the default design because customizing things can quickly turn into a never-ending rabbit hole. While I really like Linux Mint overall, I have to admit I’m not a fan of the default Cinnamon design. Personally, I installed the Qogir theme and icon pack, made several changes to the taskbar—like adjusting the clock layout—and replaced the default LM "@" menu button with the Cinnamon-Symbolic icon (the mountain symbol). I also changed the startup animation because I couldn't stand the green spinning LM disk. Just a basic black and white Cinnamon-Symbolic would be modern, clean and elegant on the statup. I mostly followed instructions from forums, Reddit, and ChatGPT using the terminal (Sudo commands!). Since I'm new to Linux, I honestly have no idea what exactly the code I ran was doing. Everyone says Linux is secure and that antivirus software isn’t necessary, but I’m starting to wonder if it’s actually risky to just copy-paste commands from random strangers on the internet. What if the code contains a hidden trojan, virus, malware, or even a crypto miner? I'm now reflecting on what I did the other day, and it's made me think—this is one more reason why I’d really appreciate having a more modern design option for Cinnamon included by default. At least as a choice during installation! If anyone wants to try out the desktop setup shown above, feel free to check out the link below. |
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Apparently a lot of people do that, which is a sign that the current logo deserves to be revised. To me, the current logo resembles teenager brands, like logos related to skateboarding and clothing (HanglooseTM). That's opposite to what LM is. LM is not "teen cool", but traditional and old-fashioned. Maybe LM could adopt a new logo derived from Cinnamon's logo. Something classic and elegant, which would be aligned with LM's position. |
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round corners its a must... but as far as the development team has stated, it is next to imposible base on some technicarl sturff ;( |
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Rounded corners are not a must. Windows did without until Windows 11, and since apps expect a rectangular surface (not rounded), it can break interfaces. Windows 7 didn't cut off content but added a glass border to each window which was rounded. |
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a gnome desktop with the linux mint power, would be grate, instade of mate or xfce |
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Use another distribution and install Mint software on it, or install GNOME on Mint. Linux Mint's vision is to provide a traditional desktop. |
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I don't think Xfce can be dropped because it's the option for low-end hardware. Gnome is relatively resource-hungry. Maybe MATE could be the one replaced by vanilla Gnome? Another thing to consider is, if Mint supports vanilla Gnome, there will be a fragmentation of the extensions ecosystem, because Cinnamon extensions don't work in Gnome and vice-versa. |
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Xfce is very similar to MATE in resource usage. Very. MATE is important as it is the continuation of GNOME 2, the original UI provided by Linux Mint, and the most traditional DE of the 3. I don't think Linux Mint should have GNOME, it's a desktop that is opposite to the vision of Linux Mint. And for the applications to fit, they would need to be redone in libAdwaita in parallel, because GNOME wants apps to use libAdwaita in order to integrate. If you like GNOME that much, installing it on Linux Mint isn't that hard. But it would be very hard for Mint to support GNOME, because it doesn't just use GTK, it uses libAdwaita, just like KDE uses Qt. |
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The design in the proposal is fine, but it should be another option, not replace anything, ideally another DE. It looks like GNOME with a dock. Also, that floating panel at the top is just a fad that harms the desktop. It takes up more space, doesn't use Fitts' law, and I don't know what happens when a window is maximised. |
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I will try creating a better mockup of the update manager |
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You are talking as though Linux Mint is a corporation like Microsoft or Apple, with sales targets and so forth. Welcome to the world of free and open-sourced software, where the devs write the kind of software they want to use, and we ordinary users are along for the ride. The beauty of FOSS is that you are free to fork all the code and release a distro that matches your idea of what a Linux distro should look like. Also, do we want a lot more users? Can we even provide support for them? The experts on the Linux Mint Forums are all unpaid volunteers with commitments in real life. What happens when all these "new users" show up and expect Microsoft/Apple style support? Lastly, both MATE and Cinnamon were forked from GNOME, and those of us who use those two DE's do so because we like them. If I really wanted to use GNOME, I'd have installed Ubuntu. Thanks, but no thanks. I am also not in favor of following the latest trends from Windows, because I moved to Linux to get away from Windows and all of Microsoft's other works. Windows 10 was bad enough, but I occasionally have to use Windows 11 on my office computer--which is why I installed LM as a dual boot and boot into Win 11 as infrequently as I can manage. Why don't you develop a theme that you like and make it available on the Cinnamon Spices Web site. There are a lot of interesting themes there already. Sorry to sound like a curmudgeon, but I guess that's what I've turned into in my old age. |
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I get your point but do we really need to duplicate effort. Linux mint is growing and the Linux userbase is sending everyone here, it's becoming the face of it. We don't necessary have to be like Microsoft design or any other. We just need a better view of what Linux is.
I totally understand the view and it's rightfully so, but this distro makes the promise of user friendly and a clean mordern design! That's why people are here cause it's why the got it in the first (who's fault is that on not delivering) if it was any other nobody would care. Also why not find ways of making money with mint? Free for freedom not free for free stuff right? Is that against the code of ethics too?. Also really want to help , how does Linux mint deal with designs from contributors and what are not considered good? Is everything to do with design (corporate) bad? Just asking |
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Well, I am old, so it's not an insult to be called old. But let me remind you that I am not opposed to changes in the design, I am opposed to changes that reduce functionality. I am trying to get across the point that certain current design trends make things difficult for people whose vision ain't what it used to be. In other words, those trends bread functionality. Not good. So all I am asking is that you bear people with disabilities in mind during your re-design process. I really hope that's clear. Linux Mint works, don't break it in your quest for an updated look.
That is not actually what I wrote. I meant that we can't demand changes as of right. We can ask for changes (politely, one hopes) and if the devs agree, they will implement them. Or--and this is key to the FOSS ethos--we are free to take their source code and modify it to suit ourself. That is the freedom in the F of "FOSS". The diversity of implementations and distros is actually an advantage, even though it doesn't seem that way to you.
I don't know how the Mint devs deal with that sort of thing, You'd have to ask Clem and the team. But if you draw up a design and submit it, I'll bet people will consider it. Even better if you can code it for them, so they don't have to code it themselves. Just don't break functionality that I depend on, okay? 😄 😄 |
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Well you are on Linux Mint Discussions. If you have a design idea, open a discussion and show what you have. I mean you are posting in a discussion where someone did exactly that. |
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Lots of people talk but miss to show their ideas: it's hard to figure out what others think, better we submit mockups. What's a mockup? To show an idea, NOT a final product Here some of my ideas: |
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I really like the new design, but I think implementing it would be too much work that the Mint team just won't be able to do. Even Ubuntu's implementation of its design is flawed, and that's run by a corporation with a lot of Enterprise money, not to mention Gnome being the most funded desktop environment. Sure, there are distros out there that nailed the visual aspects, but those are usually much buggier and less reliable. I think the reason Mint looks kinda boring is because more effort goes into making everything work. And this is what we all appreciate about it. |
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Important, to start somewhere with new design! I'd care less what other distros do, but I get your point. Also, new design should be a community effort, instead to be on the shoulders of a few! Imo, good design doesn't happens overnight, but rather in steps over a longer period of time. It can be hard to introduce new design choices, as we all get used to interfaces design and features. Another point is listening to user feedback. At least, to evaluate voices who have some insight and share experience and not only individual aesthetical "taste", which is also OK, but secondary. In my experience, a vision is fundamental to any project, to thrive. Styling or "wrapping" features into a new design is a refresh and design has nothing to do with esthetics but adaption to new challenges of our time, refinement of features/tweaks, their improvement/upgrade, some new addition and only last, some new aesthetics to reinforce features, not to make them "shiny". Design stands for useful, obvious, well thought-out and accessible invention for everyone. |
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Our latest attempt at pushing the initiative. During our last updated many users liked the way it looked but were not sure if the system would be scalable or whether the proposed brand foundation is really consistent. That's why we decided to wrap everything as a single visual case to highlight how we see the future of the brand if our initiative is adopted. See case here: https://www.behance.net/gallery/232107079/Linux-Mint |
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I know but I think some error on Behance side |
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Mint doesn't even look close to how you advertise it. Your ad makes it seem too "modern". I think this advertisement will cause a fury of expectations that won't be fulfilled. It's 2025 already, and Mint is yet to drop skeumorphic icons as default. |
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You are absolutely right, Mint right now doesn't look good. Yet we don't advertise but suggest different brand foundation (logo, color, fonts) as well as vision/direction for it. |
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Well it's good if we look at it like that. Although I'm very doubtful that something like this will ever emerge as a reality, because the devs tend to go function over form (which is a good thing). Probably, that's the reason why it's often cited the "Just Works" distro. P.S. I love your concept, except for the huge rounded corners. :) |
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Agreed with the above. Though LM is often most appreciated for the traditional UIs, maybe you can make the desktop itself less radical. Also, I very much like the live dock idea but it has to be implemented by apps. Maybe a way for apps to say what data to present in the taskbar/dock while the DE decides exactly how it's presented. |
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I have left some feedback in klad-design/linuxmint-brand#3 |
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As an old Linux desktop user and co-founder of Klad, a design studio focused on branding and UI/UX, I appreciate Linux Mint's commitment to user-friendliness. The current branding resonates with the existing audience, underlining its utilitarian approach, but a refreshing rebrand could extend its appeal to a broader audience and can work as a good foundation for the future design of the distro.
To contribute to this project we adore, we propose a free and open visual brand update for Linux Mint. This would entail not only a systematic overhaul of the brand visuals, but also an update to the website design, giving it a fresh look and audience appeal. Our entire design process, from concept to finalization, would be openly shared and accessible.
We realize such an initiative would be a significant commitment, likely exceeding eight weeks of dedicated team effort. As passionate as we are, we hope our work wouldn't be wasted. Therefore, we want to carry this initiative with the community and managing team support. We understand that a lot of LM followers are satisfied with the current materials but we believe that it might be one of the things that keeps distro from the broader appeal and that in the worst case scenario it will at the very least help the project systematize its design assets.
TLDR:
⭐️ UPD: we came up with a redesign concept, you can learn more about it here.
⭐️⭐️ UPD2: entire visual case is now here
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