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<div class='msg'><a class='ts' href='#$we4SYXTHwmKn094X9Zs_7mWUOoUVh4icvVdxD83RZfs'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$we4SYXTHwmKn094X9Zs_7mWUOoUVh4icvVdxD83RZfs' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$we4SYXTHwmKn094X9Zs_7mWUOoUVh4icvVdxD83RZfs' target='_blank'>2024-04-20 02:08</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#d0709e'>johnjiao123</span>: </div>
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slot index Ht is in the past&quot; (Section 5)</div>
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<div class='msg reply'><a class='ts' href='#$cnjkfxLz1hkVhjIXQ1oC-MjDue-3Q7QC5I4Xr-7VYAE'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$cnjkfxLz1hkVhjIXQ1oC-MjDue-3Q7QC5I4Xr-7VYAE' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$cnjkfxLz1hkVhjIXQ1oC-MjDue-3Q7QC5I4Xr-7VYAE' target='_blank'>2025-06-12 00:59</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#c65779'>dave</span>: A guarantee&#x27;s time slot is only relevant for determining the rotation and hence what the validator assignments are. As a guarantor constructing a guarantee, you should set the time slot to one in which you and the other guarantors you shared the package with are assigned to the core. This slot should be close to the current slot (as otherwise you would presumably have refused to process the work-package), but may be slightly in the future.</div>
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<div class='msg reply'><a class='ts' href='#$T_gF_j805LhGcUs7lmXnXS87GSKaW00ztf74nC7XNSw'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$T_gF_j805LhGcUs7lmXnXS87GSKaW00ztf74nC7XNSw' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$T_gF_j805LhGcUs7lmXnXS87GSKaW00ztf74nC7XNSw' target='_blank'>2025-06-12 01:01</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#c65779'>dave</span>: The wall-clock time should be used to determine whether or not to accept a work-package from a builder or another guarantor, but shouldn&#x27;t really be used for anything else.</div>
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<div class='msg reply'><a class='ts' href='#$eNBhG1biCJ3Nj-veoRFshJ3Y16QoQ0-hZ8fd6EhWzCU'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$eNBhG1biCJ3Nj-veoRFshJ3Y16QoQ0-hZ8fd6EhWzCU' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$eNBhG1biCJ3Nj-veoRFshJ3Y16QoQ0-hZ8fd6EhWzCU' target='_blank'>2025-06-12 12:44</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#d470bf'>jaymansfield</span>: Theres a bug somewhere that can cause the polkajam nodes to crash (completely shutdown and need to be started again): 2025-06-11 11:18:36 tokio-runtime-worker ERROR jam_node Finality task returned an error: Chain error: State(MissingBlock)
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2025-06-11 11:18:39 main ERROR jam_cli Error: Chain error: State(MissingBlock) </div>
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<pre><code class=''>Disconnecting: Misbehaviour: Malformed jam_node::availability::net::protocol::SegmentsRequest: Could not decode `SegmentsRequest::erasure_root`:
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<div class='msg reply'><a class='ts' href='#$Ej6ojsdhj1am_PLQi80RVd0kbSmn_4JWoJ63CPG3feA'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$Ej6ojsdhj1am_PLQi80RVd0kbSmn_4JWoJ63CPG3feA' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$Ej6ojsdhj1am_PLQi80RVd0kbSmn_4JWoJ63CPG3feA' target='_blank'>2025-06-13 01:15</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#c377dd'>mkchung</span>: However, sending a work package that &quot;requires&quot; importSegments to the PolkaJam binary via CE133—and relying on PolkaJam to perform the CE134 step—appears to work, although the segment-root mappings come back empty from CE134resp. not exactly sure why. <span class="edited">(edited)</span></div>
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<div class='msg'><a class='ts' href='#$rCGNqRfru4I3sXuOiElj_ZK_g8TrADKMzFYTcVOp5mE'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$rCGNqRfru4I3sXuOiElj_ZK_g8TrADKMzFYTcVOp5mE' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$rCGNqRfru4I3sXuOiElj_ZK_g8TrADKMzFYTcVOp5mE' target='_blank'>2025-06-11 13:13</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#c65779'>dave</span>: We&#x27;re working on 0.6.6 at the moment. Don&#x27;t have an exact ETA for a build. There aren&#x27;t many changes though so hopefully shouldn&#x27;t be long.</div>
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<div class='msg reply'><a class='ts' href='#$9lJbTESzlpMoP_PFEGBkGEufQ828-7CUDoA90gaPh2I'>#</a> <a class='ts' name='$9lJbTESzlpMoP_PFEGBkGEufQ828-7CUDoA90gaPh2I' href='https://matrix.to/#/!wBOJlzaOULZOALhaRh:polkadot.io/$9lJbTESzlpMoP_PFEGBkGEufQ828-7CUDoA90gaPh2I' target='_blank'>2025-06-12 11:59</a>&ensp;<span class='u' style='color:#dc865f'>interweb_</span>: Between these offsets we are not able to decode the bin into expected json
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```bash
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