Proposal: More in-depth explanation of concerns

[cyphar]

I think that we should give a more detailed list of concerns with the bill. Currently the concerns are quite scatter-brain, ranging from political concerns to practical ones (with the evidence being things like stock prices or twitter threads). And most importantly, there isn't a list of primary concerns (which might have an impact).

If you like, I can write up a draft which contains most of the primary concerns (I've read through the whole bill several times and think that I can put most of the issues into words). Quite a lot of the more extreme worrying is coming from people who haven't read the entire bill, and for instance incorrectly claim that you can go to gaol for non-compliance with a TCN. We should provide some preliminary information about what the bill says for the tl;dr crowd.

I'm currently (as I'm sure most people are) contacting lawyers to ask for their understanding of the changes and what practical differences are there (given common law precedent) which us lay-people might be missing.

(Personally I think we should also petition government for an Australian Bill of Rights to be enshrined in the Constitution, but that's something we'll need to work on separately and will likely take many years to get close to doing. There was a research paper in 1999 discussing this problem, but obviously we're no closer than we were before.)

[cailyoung]

https://github.com/alfiedotwtf/AABillFAQ

Might be what you’re after?

[cailyoung]

Also https://charterofrights.org.au/ :)

[terencehuynh]

I know a couple of people are doing the same thing too re: explaining concerns, etc. I'm thinking of adding a resources page (alp.fail/resources) that links to all of them.

Happy for you to kickstart and write the concerns we have. Maybe team up with @alfiedotwtf - who is doing a FAQ on it too

[cyphar]

@cailyoung I will comment on that repo, since IMHO some of the questions need some rewording. But I think that such a document wouldn't be necessarily very useful as a concise description of what the actual problems we have with the bill are and what are the practical ramifications.

@terencehuynh @alfiedotwtf I'll write up a short list in the morning.

[alfiedotwtf]

Thanks.

Bare in mind that the questions at the moment are raw dumps of what people have raised from various sources. At the moment, I'm just going through every post and writing the questions onto the README. I'll be grooming at a later stage.

[cyphar]

All good.