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fix(a380x/flight model): Fix for bounced landings and increase in pitch inertia - #10804

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fix(a380x/flight model): Fix for bounced landings and increase in pitch inertia#10804
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This PR is intended to: 1) fix the issue of bouncing on relatively low sink rate landings, and 2) further reduce pitch sensitivity.

Summary of Changes

Changes to:

  1. Flap aero parameters
  2. Wheel contact point compression parameters
  3. Pitch inertia
  4. Elevator effectiveness.

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References

Videos used as examples of pitch responsiveness during takeoff rotation: https://youtu.be/uEgw2p8J0ZA?si=eu9N1JcnQBBqIac5&t=746, https://youtu.be/pHui34_ODnc?si=jNcT-ePdqAmbGgNQ&t=57

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Discord username (if different from GitHub): donbikes

Testing instructions

  1. Test landing in various conditions to confirm good landing flare characteristics and determine susceptibility to bounced landings. (For the latter it may be helpful to record videos with the dev mode speed and wheels debug windows open to 1) determine the touchdown rate of descent. and 2) see if the wheels bounce off the runway.)
  2. Confirm during takeoff that pitch response to initial pitch control movement during rotation is not immediate.
  3. Confirm this PR does not "break anything" flight model-wise on a full flight (doesn't have to be a long one).

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@donstim donstim added Flight Model Anything thats related to the planes performance regarding aerodynamics etc. Not Ready For Testing Not ready for testing as still being discussed or developed. QA A380 Only QA only for A380 required labels Jul 4, 2026
@donstim donstim added A380X Related to the A380X aircraft QA MSFS 2024 Only This PR affects only the MSFS 2024 version of the aircraft and should only be tested there MSFS2024 Issues & PRs for MSFS2024 labels Jul 4, 2026
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Z{2P1ICQ4RP7~6H)U3ZF~ZK The wing does not drop

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The wing does not drop

Thanks for the report.

donstim and others added 2 commits July 6, 2026 12:46
Updated maximum compression values for nose, wing, and body springs.
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Should be fixed now (thanks to @Saschl)

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Quality Assurance Tester/Trainee Report

Discord Username : saschl
Object of testing : #10804
Aircraft : A380X
Simulator : 2024
Tier of Testing : 2
Date : 09/07/2026

Testing Process:

  1. Test landing in various conditions to confirm good landing flare characteristics and determine susceptibility to bounced landings. (For the latter it may be helpful to record videos with the dev mode speed and wheels debug windows open to 1) determine the touchdown rate of descent. and 2) see if the wheels bounce off the runway.)

Tendency to bounce is reduced, I however see a slight pitch up after the wheels touch the ground and letting go of the stick. Could also be my bad landing skills.

2026-07-09.17-52-01.-.Trim.mp4

Hard landing that bounced

bouncy.mp4

"smoother one"

smooth.mp4
  1. Confirm during takeoff that pitch response to initial pitch control movement during rotation is not immediate.

Feels "heavier" and does not overreact imo

  1. Confirm this PR does not "break anything" flight model-wise on a full flight (doesn't have to be a long one).

Could not observe any bad behaviour in normal flight

Testing Results:
Passed

Negatives:

Tendency to pitch up on a landing with neutral stick, but that was also present before and might as well be due to my landing "technique"

Conclusions:

Media:

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Tendency to pitch up after touchdown is due to the effect of ground spoiler deployment. This effect is reduced by this PR when landing with proper flare technique, but needs to be fully addressed by a separate flight control system PR.

Has been fixed by #10902

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donstim deleted the Update-A380X-MSFS-2024-flight-model---inertia-and-bounced-landings branch July 20, 2026 23:55
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