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| <type units="m3 m-3">real</type> | ||
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| <section name="marine"> | ||
| <standard_name name="potential_temperature_of_sea_water" | ||
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I've commented above on why I have this naming inconsistency. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. @svahl991 Oops, sorry, I missed your comment. Should we follow the same convention for salinity then?
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Do you mean There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. FYI @svahl991 : the CF name for sea water potential temperature is
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. The ESM (Earth System Model) standard names were created to provide consistency between Earth system models. While the original effort started with CF names only, it became clear very quickly that these wouldn't suffice. Hence, the next step was to add names where no CF names existed. It then became obvious that the CF names in some cases were inconsistent, misleading, or unclear, and that using the CF names would make it difficult to achieve the goals of the ESM standard names effort. At this point, it was decided that CF would be used, when possible, but that a deviation from the standard is acceptable otherwise. Names in ESM standard names apply to all modeling systems using these names. That is, they are not model specific, and they provide compatibility and clarity across systems that use the ESM standard names, beyond what the sometimes ambiguous and extremely limited CF convention would be able to do. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. @climbfuji agreed. I dont think reordering the potential temperature of sea water variable improves clarity or makes the name any different in terms of ambiguity from the cf name. I dont think consistency with atmosphere names is a good reason to deviate from the CF names if we don't need to personally.
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. So, the crux is that CF is inconsistent in that regard. You find names like One of the goals of ESMStandardNames is to provide a clear framework for how to construct new names. To do that, you need a clear set of rules for how to compose names. After reviewing the names in the CF conventions and the different, inconsistent ways to construct names based on those, we spent considerable effort to decide on one way to compose these names. Consequently, all names in the ESMStandardNames must follow these rules, even if that means that they differ from CF. The rules are defined in https://github.com/ESCOMP/ESMStandardNames/blob/main/StandardNamesRules.rst. It basically comes down to "what is the base name" and what is a qualifier such as "component", "medium", ... Looking at the rules and at this particular example, "sea_water_potential_temperature", I can see your point. For one, there is no prefix "potential_temperature" and I would argue that it hardly qualifies as a "component" of a base name. Also, just "sea_water" by itself is not really a base name? Is the base name then The longer you stare at this stuff, the more confusing it gets ...
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@mkavulich , So are you suggesting that maybe ESM should be changed to conform to the CF name for |
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| description="sea water potential temperature"> | ||
| <type units="K">real</type> | ||
| </standard_name> | ||
| <standard_name name="sea_water_depth" | ||
| description="The depth below the surface of the sea"> | ||
| <type units="m">real</type> | ||
| </standard_name> | ||
| <standard_name name="sea_water_salinity" | ||
| description="The practical salinity of sea water"> | ||
| <type units="PSU">real</type> | ||
| </standard_name> | ||
| <standard_name name="sea_water_absolute_salinity" | ||
| description="The absolute salinity of sea water"> | ||
| <type units="g kg-1">real</type> | ||
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I took a look at the CF conventions, and added their names for these two quantities. It looks to me like CF uses
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. OK, I looked again, closer, and CF naming has three names:
Do we want to duplicate all three names in ESM? I need scientific guidance here. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. @Dooruk referred me to this issue. sea_water_salinity with units of 1e-3 (which I believe is equivalent to ppt): I don’t think it is necessary to keep this variable, as it reflects an older and less precise definition of salinity. sea_water_practical_salinity with units of 1 (which Travis noted is equivalent to PSU): This variable should be retained, as it is consistent with in-situ observations and is useful for validation and diagnostic analyses. sea_water_absolute_salinity with units of g kg⁻¹: This represents the most recent and precise definition of salinity and is therefore also worth keeping. If only one salinity variable were to be retained, I would lean toward sea_water_absolute_salinity, assuming it comes directly from the model output.
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Thanks, @lren20 , for your insights. That's very helpful. Since these variables are all new to this ESM naming standard, we are free to do what makes sense and is clear for the modern community. We can look to CF naming for insight, but don't need to be constrained by it. Given what you've said, I propose we add two salinity names to ESM Naming in this PR:
Regarding the two options described in 1) above, currently this PR contains I will make that change later today unless I hear objections. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
i will ask @sinakhani and @guillaumevernieres input here (please see temperature unit comment above as well). @ss421 I see this turned out to be a can of worms, we could also discuss it during the Thursday JCSDA meeting?
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To be clear, it is only in JEDI generic code (such as VADER, SABER, and UFO) where we make a strong attempt to conform to using ESM names for the model variables. This is because it is most important in generic code to be clear and unambiguous about what the variables represent (and what units they have) since the code can be used by multiple models and organizations. So if, say, we choose to use the ESM name We also need to make sure we know which salinity units are appropriate for the new VADER code that inspired this PR (referenced in the PR description), so that we are sure to have an appropriate name for use there. (i.e., if the code formulas in VADER are expecting salinity to be in There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Ok thanks, that separation makes more sense now. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I think [ppt] is identical to [g/kg] based on their definitions. If I am also not wrong, 1 PSU should approximately equal to 1 ppt in oceanography (PSU is more recent definition for salinity but ppt is an older one). I expect all these three variables to be very close -- are they very different in your data outputs? For temperature, I think it is a choice to use degC or K since they only differ by a constant 273.15. As long as the dataset gives a unit for temperature, either choice is fine in my view. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. From a met office marine obs perspective, we use all three. But our models use only two 'sea_water_salinity' for EOS80 salinity, and 'sea_water_absolute_salinity' for TEOS-10 salinity. |
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| description="The temperature of sea water"> | ||
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| </section> | ||
| <section name="diagnostics"> | ||
| <standard_name name="total_precipitation_rate_at_surface"> | ||
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I will comment here that while
Kis used in some products, degC is more common. MOM6 (model SOCA interfaces) outputs model fields indegC. Looking at a few common products I see they differ though, like so:OISST, SODA, ORAS5 uses
degCEN4, OSTIA (GHRSST) uses
KI guess we can't make up our mind.
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just a note here that GHRSST includes a lot of members from all over the world https://www.ghrsst.org/about-ghrsst/ not just OSTIA (Australian Bureau Of Meterology, NOAA, Canadian Meterological and Oceanographic Society, among many others from elsewhere in Europe etc). See here for a list:
https://www.ghrsst.org/ghrsst-data-services/for-sst-data-producers/ghrsst-catalogue/#/search?from=1&to=30
The GHRSST conventions follow the CF conventions as far as possible with a little extra metadata. Documented in GDS2.1 (page 83, convention is Kelvin for SST variable there).
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@Dooruk In the Standard Names dictionary the exact units are not binding, but rather guidelines on the dimensionality of the described quantity (https://github.com/ESCOMP/ESMStandardNames/blob/main/StandardNamesRules.rst#units). We prefer to use SI units wherever possible, since those are standard and unambiguous in their dimensionality, so
Kis preferred over any other temperature variable here.