Nonbinary-inclusive framing + more nonbinary content#201
Nonbinary-inclusive framing + more nonbinary content#201aliengeo wants to merge 31 commits intoGenderDysphoria:masterfrom
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Saw in a previous commit that this wording was odd and I agree. I split the sentence and rephrased to make the meaning clearer.
Added more details about masculinizing surgery
Added a detail to the androgenic FYI. Elaborated on nonbinary shame, then adjusted the next sentence to avoid ambiguity this would've introduced
Very slight tweak here to avoid implying that a trans/cis porn includes a trans woman definitionally. (The minority with trans men or AFAB nonbinary people all have them bottoming, but I feel like including that in the sentence would be way too clunky.)
Separated out decreased lubrication from bottom growth; added info about prostatic metaplasia, Pap tests, and atrophy/vaginal estrogen; added info from personal experience re: sleep and crying
As discussed, added vasectomy to gender-affirming surgeries for parity. Also slightly rephrased the phallo section for legibility in light of the high school reading level talk (and bc it was bothering me that technically you don't need vaginectomy either and I hadn't mentioned that)
Rephrased in the hopes of making the reading level a little more approachable, and added a source to explain what epigenetics is in more depth (incl. DNA methylation)
Added clarification at line 58 that "gender spectrum" is not meant to be interpreted reductively and that other models exist. Added a caption to the images highlighting that none of them depict gender with the same number of dimensions. They could also use alt text but IDK what the house style is for that. Revised the nonbinary section, including its disclaimer Removed the hyphens in "nonbinary" and "bigender." I think that's more common within community at this point, but I will not die on this hill
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Rethought. The nonbinary hyphen thing is worth bringing up as a separate issue. But bigender still isn't spelled with a hyphen.
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| For example, an AMAB trans person may find themselves very uncomfortable in groups of men. They may feel out of place and struggle to fit in among their male peers. Masculine social interactions don't come naturally to them, and trying to emulate their male friends feels awkward. They may feel themselves drawn more to friendships with women, but become frustrated at the social and heterosexual dynamics that come into play between men and women, preventing them from forming platonic relationships. This is if women are willing to form friendships at all. They may find themselves deeply hurt when women shy away from them on principle. | ||
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| Some non-binary people feel social incongruence in interactions with both men and women, which may persist even if they change their gender presentation. |
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This is stated in literally the next line.
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I think I understand what you mean—it took me a while to work that out because I don't see them as equivalent.
The point I was trying to make was that nonbinary people might not be able to clearly identify a "true gender" they have easier interactions with as a result of both homosocial male and homosocial female interactions feeling unnatural and surprising.
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People of your assigned gender seem to interact with each other in ways that do not feel natural to you. Their behaviors and mannerisms feel strange and surprising, where interactions with individuals of your true gender feel easier. You relate to people closer to your own truth.
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| The discomfort caused by social dysphoria can pressure a trans person to act and present in an exaggerated manner in order to try to convince the rest of the world that they really are who they say they are. Transfeminine people may concentrate on makeup and feminine clothes, and become quieter in order to seem more demure, speaking in a higher voice. Transmasculine people will lean on masculine clothing styles, stand taller, suppress displays of emotion, start speaking louder, and make their voices intentionally deeper. | ||
| The discomfort caused by social dysphoria can pressure a trans person to act and present in an exaggerated manner in order to try to convince the rest of the world that they really are who they say they are. Transfeminine people may concentrate on makeup and feminine clothes, and become quieter in order to seem more demure, speaking in a higher voice. Transmasculine people will lean on masculine clothing styles, stand taller, suppress displays of emotion, start speaking louder, and make their voices intentionally deeper. Some non-binary people may consciously alter their presentation to be less obviously masculine or feminine, which can resemble the techniques of binary trans people with similar bodies, or may play up intentionally conflicting gender cues. |
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The topic being discussed in this paragraph is about changes made in response to social pressures. This sentence doesn't seem to have to do with that? Is the intention to describe that some seek to cause confusion in strangers? If so, I would phrase it thus:
| The discomfort caused by social dysphoria can pressure a trans person to act and present in an exaggerated manner in order to try to convince the rest of the world that they really are who they say they are. Transfeminine people may concentrate on makeup and feminine clothes, and become quieter in order to seem more demure, speaking in a higher voice. Transmasculine people will lean on masculine clothing styles, stand taller, suppress displays of emotion, start speaking louder, and make their voices intentionally deeper. Some non-binary people may consciously alter their presentation to be less obviously masculine or feminine, which can resemble the techniques of binary trans people with similar bodies, or may play up intentionally conflicting gender cues. | |
| The discomfort caused by social dysphoria can pressure a trans person to act and present in an exaggerated manner in order to try to convince the rest of the world that they really are who they say they are. Transfeminine people may concentrate on makeup and feminine clothes, and become quieter in order to seem more demure, speaking in a higher voice. Transmasculine people may lean on masculine clothing styles, stand taller, suppress displays of emotion, start speaking louder, and make their voices intentionally deeper. Some non-binary people may integrate traits from both archetypes in order create intentionally conflicting gender cues to instill confusion in strangers. |
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I was referencing that a lot of nonbinary people feel pressured to suppress sex characteristics and appear androgynous in order to be believed that they are who they say they are.
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Aha! A very different problem, indeed. How about this:
Some non-binary people may feel a need to perform androgyny so that others do not dismiss their gender, amplifying or minimizing masculine and/or feminine traits in order to seek a neutrality of presentation.
| Likewise, many people believe that phenotype is also binary, but biology has recognized for hundreds of years that, when you plot out all sexual characteristics across a population, you actually end up with a bimodal distribution where the majority of the population falls within a percentile of two groups. This means that some people will, simply by nature of how life works, fall outside of the typical two piles. Many people fall in the middle, with characteristics of both sexes. | ||
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| Gender, however, is a lot more... esoteric. There are a lot of different ways in which people have attempted to illustrate the gender spectrum, but none have quite thoroughly captured it because the spectrum is itself a very abstract concept. | ||
| Gender, however, is a lot more... esoteric. There are a lot of different ways in which people have attempted to illustrate the gender spectrum, but none have quite thoroughly captured it because the range of human gender is itself a very abstract concept. Even the term "gender spectrum" as used in this document is shorthand for the various facets that make up gender; many people who call it a "spectrum" still depict it as multidimensional. Others use a variety of different metaphors, such as cubes or clusters. |
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Okay, I think I'm starting to understand the crux of the matter that being raged against, and I admit it's a blind spot that I had.
The dictionary definition of spectrum does indeed indicate that the word means a range of values between two points. I can see how if you're operating from that definition, then the use of the word in the document would be incongruent.
I'm used to hearing it from a color perspective, where "spectrum" is inherently multi-axis. Most color pickers, for example, are three or even four axis. Color values can all be described from multiple perspectives, such as RGB, HSV, HSL, and CMYK. For example:
This is how spectrum is often used in the autism community, as well, since there is no one given way to be autistic. It's more of a cloud of differing traits that have varying intensities. One person may have extremely strong auditory sensory issues but has no issue making eye contact, where another is the opposite in both of those traits, for example.
I think, perhaps, what would best suit this page, instead, is if the area around the images were reworked to explain what spectrum means in the context of both gender and the document.
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Agree. I'm familiar with the autism spectrum use. I might not have time atm to rework it personally—would it make more sense to revert these particular edits and open an issue?
But yes, just to have it all on the same page, I asked this user if "gender is a line from male to female with nonbinary in the middle" would be an accurate description of the myth they wanted to oppose when they volunteered "gender is a spectrum" for the list of trans myths, and they agreed with the sentiment AFAICT.
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Could you revert this specific change and then I'll come back in and address it after we merge the PR?
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Edits to what-is-gender.md inspired by #198 and #200, plus a couple other things I noticed while I was looking around
While I see the value in adding more context to the nonbinary experience, I disagree with #200's general framework and approach. I do not believe that the existing document insists or implies that gender is a one-dimensional line, except perhaps accidentally in the case of blind users who would not have crucial visual context, and I believe there are more pertinent issues than whether the exact metaphor in use is entirely literal when the document itself already states that the metaphor is imprecise.
heaventwig, if you're reading this, this is NOT to imply I don't think your concerns or feelings about your nonbinary identity are valid. I hope I've integrated the points you were making fairly, even if it isn't how you'd write it. (Except for the miscategorization dysphoria--I really do think it's a better fit for either the page about dysphoria from gender roles or the page about dysphoria from the gendered frameworks others use for you in social settings. I just didn't know how to integrate it off the top of my head. Legitimately, I encourage you to take a look at the dysphoria pages and see if you find areas where you can add information.)
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