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+# working group meeting on 2021-05-11
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+The agenda is in the [Kanban board](https://github.com/llvm/llvm-iwg/projects/1)
+
+## Participants
+
+* Christian Kühnel
+* ZhiqianXia
+* Mikhail Goncharov
+* DeclanHuang
+* qzhong
+* Mike Edwards
+* Philip
+* Anton Korobeynikov
+* Tanya Lattner
+
+## Epic: improve infrastructure documentation #14
+
+## Decision 1: Working on a Mailman to Discourse migration #37
+
+* The LLVM board will take the decision on the migration itself. The working
+  group should figure out the best way perform the migration.
+* Philip has serious concerns in the migration itself and the way it is decided.
+* Christian will contact Philip to understand his concerns around Discourse.
+* We had a general discussion on how LLVM as a community decides such things.
+  * Is Discourse really the right decision?
+  * Why not keep the mailing list?
+  * Who shall take such decisions?
+* For future decisions: The IWG should be involved in the decision process and
+  understand the rationale, not just execute something someone else decided.
+* At the moment no objections to forming the sub-group.
+* We will leave this open for a couple of days to give people a chance to review
+  and respond.
+
+## Decision 2: MacOS hardware for libc++ pre-merge testing #39
+
+* It's good to get something moving, it's unclear if this is the most important
+  topic.
+* Add to the proposal document:
+  * This is an experiment where the LLVM foundation spends budget for a CI
+    system.
+  * We need to measure the impact/benefits for the community to understand if
+    this effort was successful.
+* We do not have an assigned budget at the moment. This will probably change
+  for 2022. This project will be less than 5% of the annual infrastructure
+  budget.
+* The proposal should be a public document and ends up in the board's meeting
+  minutes. However we need to find a way to keep the pricing information
+  confidential.
+  * For future RFPs: Tell bidders their pricing information will be released
+    publicly after 30 days.
+* Do not wait for the board meeting and take the decision via email.
+* Mike will update the document, wait a day for feedback and then send to the
+  board.
+
+## Add Infrastructure Admin description #41
+
+See comment in issue.
+
+## other
+
+* Christian is OOO during the next meeting 2021-05-11. Mike will host the next
+  meeting.