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| # MSC4293: Redact on ban | ||
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| [MSC2244 (accepted)](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/main/proposals/2244-mass-redactions.md)-style | ||
| mass redactions are incredibly helpful for cleaning up large volumes of spam, but still require sending | ||
| a dedicated event to clean up the spam. In a typical case, a user will get kicked/banned from a room | ||
| and the moderators will further redact some or all of their messages. Mass redactions have more use | ||
| cases, but the specific case of "redact everything upon ban" is something which may be easily backported | ||
| to existing room versions. | ||
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| This proposal suggests adding a new flag to membership events to indicate to clients and servers that | ||
| all of that user's events should be redacted in addition to being kicked or banned. The flag isn't | ||
| protected from redaction itself, so may have some consistency issues, but overall should still provide | ||
| relatively high amounts of protection to rooms. | ||
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| ## Proposal | ||
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| A new flag is added to [`m.room.member`](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.14/client-server-api/#mroommember) | ||
| events where the target user is kicked or banned: `redact_events`. This flag is a boolean and, when | ||
| `true`, causes servers (and clients) to redact all of the user's events as though they received an | ||
| [`m.room.redaction`](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.14/client-server-api/#mroomredaction), including | ||
| adding [`redacted_because`](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.14/client-server-api/#redactions) to `unsigned` | ||
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| where applicable. An `m.room.redaction` event is not actually sent, however. | ||
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| **Note**: This also means that if the user was kicked/banned with a `reason`, that event is automatically | ||
| compatible with the redaction `reason` field and shows up accordingly. | ||
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| Similar to regular redactions, if the sender of the membership event can't actually redact the target's | ||
| events, the redaction doesn't apply. This means having a power level higher than or equal to `redacts` | ||
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| *and* `events["m.room.redaction"]` (if set). We maintain the `events` check despite not actually sending | ||
| events of that type to keep the same expectations within rooms. If the sender doesn't have permission | ||
| to redact an event normally, no redaction is applied. | ||
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| If the sender is allowed to redact, the redaction behaviour continues until the membership event itself | ||
| is redacted (thus removing the field), another membership event removes the field, or the flag is set | ||
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| to `false`. Events already redacted up to that point remain redacted after the flag changes to a falsey | ||
| value. For example, if the user is unbanned, the moderator MAY NOT choose to carry the `redact_events` | ||
| flag to that kick (unban) event. Or, when the user rejoins after a kick, the flag is implicitly dropped. | ||
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| In essence, the `redact_events` flag applies to all events which topologically come before the falsey | ||
| value. | ||
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| Events which are delivered after the ban are likely [soft failed](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.14/server-server-api/#soft-failure) | ||
| and are still redacted if the current membership event in the room has a valid `redact_events` | ||
| field. | ||
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| Other membership states with the flag no-op, such as joins, knocks, and invites. | ||
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| Moderation bots and similar MAY still wish to issue (mass) redactions upon kick/ban to protect users | ||
| on servers or clients which don't have this feature. | ||
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| Example ban: | ||
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| ```jsonc | ||
| { | ||
| // Irrelevant fields excluded | ||
| "type": "m.room.member", | ||
| "state_key": "@spam:example.org", | ||
| "sender": "@mod:example.org", | ||
| "content": { | ||
| "membership": "ban", | ||
| "reason": "flooding", // this is copied to `redacted_because`, leading to clients showing it | ||
| "redact_events": true | ||
| } | ||
| } | ||
| ``` | ||
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| The new field is proxied through to the event by the [`/kick`](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.14/client-server-api/#post_matrixclientv3roomsroomidkick) | ||
| and [`/ban`](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.14/client-server-api/#post_matrixclientv3roomsroomidban) | ||
| sugar APIs, like `reason` is. | ||
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| ## Fallback behaviour | ||
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| Servers which don't support this feature may be served redacted events over federation when attempting | ||
| to fill gaps or backfill. This is considered expected behaviour. | ||
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| Clients which don't support this feature may see events remain unredacted until they clear their local | ||
| cache. Upon clearing or invalidating their cache, they will either receive redacted events if their | ||
| server supports the feature or unredacted events otherwise. | ||
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| To (primarily) help protect users on unsupported *clients*, implementations SHOULD continue to try | ||
| sending individual redaction events in addition to the redact-on-ban flag. They MAY cease to do so | ||
| once they are comfortable with the level of adoption for this proposal. Servers in particular SHOULD | ||
| assist clients and send individual redaction events on their behalf, meaning clients SHOULD wait a | ||
| little bit before trying to issue redactions themselves. For example, a client may ban a user, wait | ||
| a minute, then start sending redactions if it hasn't seen an `m.room.redaction` event targeting some | ||
| of the banned user's events. Servers MAY deduplicate redactions to lower federation load, as they | ||
| always could. | ||
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| **Note**: It is possible due to implementation and real-world constraints that not all individual | ||
| redactions will "make it" over federation to another server. This is why mass redaction approaches | ||
| are preferred, as they are significantly more reliable. | ||
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| ## Potential issues | ||
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| It's a little annoying that the flag is redacted when the membership event is redacted, however it's | ||
| extremely rare for a moderator/admin to redact a kick or ban event. This can be fixed in a future | ||
| room version, like what is proposed by [MSC4298](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/4298). | ||
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| Though extremely rare, if an existing server in the room didn't apply the redactions *and* a sender's | ||
| ban was redacted, a new server to the room may backfill through that existing server and see unredacted | ||
| events without knowing it's supposed to redact them due to the ban having lost the `redact_events` | ||
| field. This is fixed for future room versions by implementing something like [MSC4298](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/4298). | ||
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| Clients may miss the membership event if they are using lazy loading, though servers should already | ||
| be tracking which membership events the client has received and needs to render events in the timeline. | ||
| This should mean that those clients will still receive the event. | ||
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| Servers which miss the event will eventually receive or retrieve it, just like they would with any | ||
| other event. | ||
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| Moderation bots/clients which attempt to reduce the amount of duplicate work they do may need to | ||
| inspect `redacted_because` instead of checking for its presence to determine which kind of redaction | ||
| was applied to a given event. This is especially true if the moderation bot/client is providing the | ||
| fallback support described above. | ||
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| If a user is banned using `redact_events: true`, unbanned, rejoins, sends more events, and is banned | ||
| again using `redact_events: true`, the user's events between bans will be subsequently redacted. The | ||
| events redacted by the first ban may also be re-redacted by servers/clients depending on implementation. | ||
| This is considered expected behaviour, and implementations can internally track which events they've | ||
| already auto-redacted to avoid duplicate work. | ||
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| With respect to the fallback behaviour, a client might not know if a server is applying fallback | ||
| redactions and may not wish to wait an arbitrary amount of time to see if it does. One solution would | ||
| be to have the server expose a [capability](https://spec.matrix.org/v1.15/client-server-api/#capabilities-negotiation), | ||
| however such a flag would be longer lived than the fallback behaviour itself (hopefully). Instead, | ||
| clients which don't implement watchdog functionality SHOULD send redactions anyway, even if it | ||
| duplicates the server's fallback efforts. Further, as already mentioned above, server MAY deduplicate | ||
| redactions to lower their federation load, though this is closer to a SHOULD considering clients are | ||
| already sending their own redaction events (like in the case of Mjolnir). | ||
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| ## Alternatives | ||
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| Mass redactions are the cited major alternative, where a single event can target approximately 1500 | ||
| other events in the room. New rooms can benefit from that functionality, especially for cases not | ||
| covered by this proposal, while existing rooms can be given an option to protect their users with | ||
| relative ease. | ||
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| ## Future considerations | ||
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| It may be desirable to place this behaviour on self-leaves too, allowing for faster removal of one's | ||
| own messages/events. This proposal doesn't suggest adding this functionality here to maintain narrow | ||
| scope on T&S functionality. A future proposal may introduce this, or rely on regular mass redactions | ||
| instead. | ||
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| ## Security considerations | ||
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| As the room moderator/administrator would already send redactions, and may still for full protection, | ||
| it's not deemed any more risk than today. This may change if self-leaves are permitted to also carry | ||
| the field. | ||
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| There may also be implementation or reliability bugs which inhibit the "stop redacting now" point | ||
| from working as intended. Server implementations in particular should ensure that an event received | ||
| after a membership event which asks for redaction is *really* affected by that redaction. ie: whether | ||
| it's just a late delivery, or if there's a join waiting for state res to make a determination. | ||
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| ## Unstable prefix | ||
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| While this proposal is not considered stable, implementations should use `org.matrix.msc4293.redact_events` | ||
| instead of `redact_events`. | ||
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| ## Dependencies | ||
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| This MSC has no direct dependencies. | ||
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| ## Credits | ||
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| Credit goes to Erik of the Spec Core Team for the suggestion to look into this. | ||
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Implementation requirements:
Other non-qualifying (as of writing) implementations: